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Old 01-30-2013, 07:59 AM
Dahoss Dahoss is offline
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After the last comment, it's pretty safe to say Rice is the best ever. DB1985 is never right about anything. Nor does he ever pay off his debts. Quite a combo.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:03 AM
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Montana made Jerry Rice great. And he is one of the greats, no doubt.

Moss made Culpepper look like the greatest QB of all time.

I don't believe it can even be debated that Jerry Rice isn't Jerry Rice if he has Dante Culpepper behind center instead of Joe Montana.


If you can only define greatness by stats, then you not only have to be one of the best, but you then also have to fall into a perfect scenario to make you great. Like Jerry Rice.

If you can define greatness based on sheer impact - Moss is greater than Rice. Period.

Rice was an outstanding WR who benefited from having an outstanding cast around him, which often led to single/blown coverages thus amazing plays and stats.

Moss would force defenses to scheme around him. Moss, in his prime, changed the game.
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:44 AM
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Michael Irvin also called Moss the greatest deep threat ever....but found it laughable to call him best ever. It is pretty laughable. Yes it helped Rice had Montana but it also helped Montana he had Rice.

Not really sure why its classless for Rice to say he's the best, but not for Moss to say he's the best. Double standard much?
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:45 PM
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Michael Irvin also called Moss the greatest deep threat ever....but found it laughable to call him best ever. It is pretty laughable. Yes it helped Rice had Montana but it also helped Montana he had Rice.

Not really sure why its classless for Rice to say he's the best, but not for Moss to say he's the best. Double standard much?
He came across as pissed that someone would possibly question his crowned status as the greatest ever and referenced his 3 rings as that being his self-appointed benchmark for greatness. He did correctly reference the good fortune of playing with the greatest pair of QB's ever, which was a bit redeeming, but overall came across as classless. If you don't agree, then well, there's that. One opinion vs. another.

Like I said - if he wasn't so threatened by Moss, laugh it off and wish the guy luck. He would definitely have come across as the bigger man, at least.
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Old 01-30-2013, 07:15 PM
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He came across as pissed that someone would possibly question his crowned status as the greatest ever and referenced his 3 rings as that being his self-appointed benchmark for greatness. He did correctly reference the good fortune of playing with the greatest pair of QB's ever, which was a bit redeeming, but overall came across as classless. If you don't agree, then well, there's that. One opinion vs. another.

Like I said - if he wasn't so threatened by Moss, laugh it off and wish the guy luck. He would definitely have come across as the bigger man, at least.
Do you think it was classless for Moss to say he was the best ever?

I don't think he's threatened at all, but we can assume these guys all have pretty big egos. When someone questions your rightful spot as the top dog, you respond.

He did wish Moss luck, after he explained why he thought he was the greatest. We'll agree to disagree, but I am interested in your response to whether or not you thought it was classless of Moss as well.
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:44 PM
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To answer you question first, Hoss - no I don't find it classless. I find it kinda humorous, and 100% correct. Perhaps if I held the popular opinion that Rice is the self appointed king of all WR's, it might rub me the wrong way. I guess.

Rice is one of the greats - there's no denying that. But in fairness the amazing fortune of being placed on one of the greatest offenses in NFL history for that dream career should weighted into the formulation.

In a lot of people's eye's, the stats he amassed make him the greatest. Fine.

Zennatta had a hand-picked, dream career too. Is she the greatest of all time? Ever try to argue against that point with a Zennatta fan?

The fervor seems eerily paralleled.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:44 PM
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I guess I don't see how one guy can be classless for thinking (and then saying) he is the best ever and pointing to his accomplishments as proof, while retired. And then another can not be considered classless for thinking and saying the same thing, a week before the ultimate team game.

For me personally, what I saw Rice do on the field makes him the greatest. I couldn't even tell you what his stats are without looking them up. I also don't think most of the players who call Rice the best are looking at his stats. Moss is obviously in the discussion, no denying that. He's an amazing talent.

I get the argument that Rice was helped playing in a great offense. But I think it is important to remember that part of what made it so great was Rice.

Do we look at Jordan differently because he played with Pippen? Is Magic Johnson not as great because he played with countless hall of famers? Was Mickey Mantle not great because he played with so many hall of famers? I don't think so, so why should we hold it against Rice?
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