Dutrow loses appeal

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Yeah.. There's no way a horse could possibly go :25.3, :52.0, 1:16.3 & 1:40.4 on the front end and win in 1:52.4 in restricted company. Setting an outrageous pace like that, how could the whole field not blow past him? Of course off that 10th place finish v. open company -- which came as a prep for the Sun Mill after being away 11 months -- I suppose he might have been 80-1 had he not been an obvious play on the sheets and listed as a Best Bet for Thoro-Graph users.

Using the GP timer to support your argument is bit disconcerning. The horse may or may not have been logical that isn't the point of the thread nor is if you bet the horse because you thought he repp'd good value. The point of the thread is addressing that a person close to Richard Dutrow got her license and had instant success with the horse. If you feel its your place to comment on her instant success in a 150 to 200k race we would all love to read your candid thoughts. Debunking a dudes opinion on why a horse wasnt logical surely isnt the tenor of this space.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Using the GP timer to support your argument is bit disconcerning. The horse may or may not have been logical that isn't the point of the thread nor is if you bet the horse because you thought he repp'd good value. The point of the thread is addressing that a person close to Richard Dutrow got her license and had instant success with the horse. If you feel its your place to comment on her instant success in a 150 to 200k race we would all love to read your candid thoughts. Debunking a dudes opinion on why a horse wasnt logical surely isnt the tenor of this space.

Because she is listed as trainer as opposed to asst trainer is meaningless. She didnt have instant success as the system that the horse was in didnt change in 2 days.

Remember when Helen Pitts was the next hot trainer? They don't all become Rudy

[Kasept]

Sorry Freddie... The GP teletimer can't belie the way in which the race was run and won. And Michele Nevin has been training the horse for months, since he returned from the farm. As Andy said, there was no end to the positive views of Teaks North from quality opinion-holders going into the race. The pell-mell notion that the horse was a plugged in put-over is ridiculous and a distortion of reality. And I don't want it perpetuated here.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Using the GP timer to support your argument is bit disconcerning. The horse may or may not have been logical that isn't the point of the thread nor is if you bet the horse because you thought he repp'd good value. The point of the thread is addressing that a person close to Richard Dutrow got her license and had instant success with the horse. If you feel its your place to comment on her instant success in a 150 to 200k race we would all love to read your candid thoughts. Debunking a dudes opinion on why a horse wasnt logical surely isnt the tenor of this space.

Check the charts, then the Trakus times, then get back to me about the tele-timer.

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Using the GP timer to support your argument is bit disconcerning. The horse may or may not have been logical that isn't the point of the thread nor is if you bet the horse because you thought he repp'd good value. The point of the thread is addressing that a person close to Richard Dutrow got her license and had instant success with the horse. If you feel its your place to comment on her instant success in a 150 to 200k race we would all love to read your candid thoughts. Debunking a dudes opinion on why a horse wasnt logical surely isnt the tenor of this space.

thanks Freddymo! My point was never that this was a "putover" but in going along with Calzones point of the trainer takeover. I no longer have the form in front of me but I could show the PP's to 1000 capable handicappers and very few would put that horses chances at 8-1. I beleive its last 3 or 4 races were terrible compared to the way it ran on Sat, and yeah there was no speed in the race which Pletcher seemed worried about beforehand but nobody did anything about it letting this one walk around the track

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

thanks Freddymo! My point was never that this was a "putover" but in going along with Calzones point of the trainer takeover. I no longer have the form in front of me but I could show the PP's to 1000 capable handicappers and very few would put that horses chances at 8-1. I beleive its last 3 or 4 races were terrible compared to the way it ran on Sat, and yeah there was no speed in the race which Pletcher seemed worried about beforehand but nobody did anything about it letting this one walk around the track

To me this isnt about if the horse was logical.. BTW I think if Kasept and Serling thought the horse was OK then I am sure he was playable. Again not the point, the point is to me at least, horses going to a new old barn if you get my drift.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Per Ray Paulick's Twitter: Rick Dutrow's Federal Lawsuit against NYRA, State Wagering Board, & Racing Commissioners Intl was just dismissed by judge.

Sorry, babe

[parsixfarms]

Does it really matter when Michelle Nevin is winning at a 25-30% clip with the same shady owners who used to have horses populating the Dutrow shed row (and before that Serey and Ferriola)?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Does it really matter when Michelle Nevin is winning at a 25-30% clip with the same shady owners who used to have horses populating the Dutrow shed row (and before that Serey and Ferriola)?

JMS is a shady owner?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

JMS is a shady owner?

The reference wasn't to them, as I don't recall them having horses with Serey and Ferriola. That said, as to this situation, I would certainly call them an enabler.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Does it really matter when Michelle Nevin is winning at a 25-30% clip with the same shady owners who used to have horses populating the Dutrow shed row (and before that Serey and Ferriola)?

no, just bet them because you cant change the game..

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

no, just bet them because you cant change the game..

...but what about when you have to run against them? You can't just scratch every time they show up in a race in which one of your horses is scheduled to compete.