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Old 12-06-2012, 04:54 PM
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Indian Charlie: 5 lifetime starts, 4 wins, 1 third. Beaten 5/2 favorite when 3rd in the KY Derby

Pulpit: 6 lifetime starts, 4 wins, 1 second, Was fourth as the morning line favorite in the Kentucky Derby. Drifted up to 5/1 odds.

Both of them had big speed figures throughout and good stallion careers. Both never raced again after the Derby.

Only real contrast ... one of them was by A. P. Indy out of good Claiborne mare. The other was by In Excess out of an overachieving multiple Graded Stakes winning Leo Castelli mare.
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:02 PM
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Indian Charlie: 5 lifetime starts, 4 wins, 1 third. Beaten 5/2 favorite when 3rd in the KY Derby

Pulpit: 6 lifetime starts, 4 wins, 1 second, Was fourth as the morning line favorite in the Kentucky Derby. Drifted up to 5/1 odds.

Both of them had big speed figures throughout and good stallion careers. Both never raced again after the Derby.

Only real contrast ... one of them was by A. P. Indy out of good Claiborne mare. The other was by In Excess out of an overachieving multiple Graded Stakes winning Leo Castelli mare.
That, and the quality of mares they each received.
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:03 PM
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Indian Charlie: 5 lifetime starts, 4 wins, 1 third. Beaten 5/2 favorite when 3rd in the KY Derby

Pulpit: 6 lifetime starts, 4 wins, 1 second, Was fourth as the morning line favorite in the Kentucky Derby. Drifted up to 5/1 odds.

Both of them had big speed figures throughout and good stallion careers. Both never raced again after the Derby.

Only real contrast ... one of them was by A. P. Indy out of good Claiborne mare. The other was by In Excess out of an overachieving multiple Graded Stakes winning Leo Castelli mare.
Both passed in December at a young age.
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:43 PM
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Old 12-06-2012, 06:13 PM
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1997 Gulfstream Park Allowance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqo2MJYqq2I

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Old 12-06-2012, 06:24 PM
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Huge fan !!! RIP
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:44 PM
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Old 12-06-2012, 08:51 PM
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Can't believe it's been 15 years already since he burst on the scene that winter at Gulfstream.
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Old 12-07-2012, 10:03 AM
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Tough loss for the breeding industry. One of the few success stories.
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