Petraeus...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

I've been saying all along Obama doesn't know sh!t and now the Administration, Carney, the Mainstream Media, and a lot of Liberals agree with me!

so petraus having an affair is a black eye for all the above? seriously?! god in heaven, i didn't know the president would be held responsible for some guy plowing another mans field.

[Danzig]

i tell you it's a shame. 'what is a shame?' you ask.

i just went back and looked thru threads containing ndaa, because i knew at least one or two were begun with that topic of discussion.
this thread, about an affair, has garnered more views, and more replies than the thread about drones in use in florida over a party, and the judge ordering a hold on ndaa. more views/replies than the thread about holder saying it's perfectly legal to kill us citizens without due process.
but let some guy get some strange, and look out!!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i tell you it's a shame. 'what is a shame?' you ask.

i just went back and looked thru threads containing ndaa, because i knew at least one or two were begun with that topic of discussion.
this thread, about an affair, has garnered more views, and more replies than the thread about drones in use in florida over a party, and the judge ordering a hold on ndaa. more views/replies than the thread about holder saying it's perfectly legal to kill us citizens without due process.
but let some guy get some strange, and look out!!

Welcome to America 2012 TMZ style.

[Cannon Shell]

IMO this is a far bigger issue than just a guy getting caught cheating on his old lady. I'm not blaming the white house though I believe that it is 1-9 that they knew about this since the begining. If the head of the CIA is being investgated by the FBI I find it hard to believe the President was out of the loop. The problem is that the head of the CIA was so profoundly stupid and careless about this in the first place. A person in that job should have impeccable integrity and not be so easily manipulated or caught. Being that the entire organization exists to gather intellegence and use leverage and other means to do that, a pretty obvious affair with a relatively unstable woman seems to be a stunningly ignorant move for a man in that position. I'm not naive enough to think that many men in positions of power (or otherwise) arent unfaithful to their spouses but for a guy like Petraeus who seemed to be an ideal candidate for the job to be so amatuerish is scary. I'm sure Mr Putin is having a good laugh over this.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

IMO this is a far bigger issue than just a guy getting caught cheating on his old lady. I'm not blaming the white house though I believe that it is 1-9 that they knew about this since the begining. If the head of the CIA is being investgated by the FBI I find it hard to believe the President was out of the loop. The problem is that the head of the CIA was so profoundly stupid and careless about this in the first place. A person in that job should have impeccable integrity and not be so easily manipulated or caught. Being that the entire organization exists to gather intellegence and use leverage and other means to do that, a pretty obvious affair with a relatively unstable woman seems to be a stunningly ignorant move for a man in that position. I'm not naive enough to think that many men in positions of power (or otherwise) arent unfaithful to their spouses but for a guy like Petraeus who seemed to be an ideal candidate for the job to be so amatuerish is scary. I'm sure Mr Putin is having a good laugh over this.

i just don't see it, sorry. he had an affair. it wasn't and isn't a matter of national security.
as for putin, i recall when clinton had his peccadilloes being bandied about, that much of the rest of the world was saying 'what's the big deal?'.

is it odd timing? sure. but then, i doubt there's ever a good time for the wife of 37 years to find out something like this. he was a powerful man, and powerful men do stupid things, just like the rest of us. but luckily for the rest of us, no one cares what we do.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i just don't see it, sorry. he had an affair. it wasn't and isn't a matter of national security.
as for putin, i recall when clinton had his peccadilloes being bandied about, that much of the rest of the world was saying 'what's the big deal?'.

is it odd timing? sure. but then, i doubt there's ever a good time for the wife of 37 years to find out something like this. he was a powerful man, and powerful men do stupid things, just like the rest of us. but luckily for the rest of us, no one cares what we do.

Everything the head of the CIA does is a matter of national security. If he is willing to break the rules and put himself in compomising situations how do we know what he might have been willing to do to keep those secrets?

I'm sure if Mr Putin had information that he could use as leverage on Petraeus do you believe he would hesitate to use that?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Everything the head of the CIA does is a matter of national security. If he is willing to break the rules and put himself in compomising situations how do we know what he might have been willing to do to keep those secrets?

I'm sure if Mr Putin had information that he could use as leverage on Petraeus do you believe he would hesitate to use that?

what rules did petraus break to have an affair? he's not active military, so i doubt there are any rules about having a girl on the side.
it's an affair. it's not a james bond movie, she's not a russian commie, and apparently nothing was compromised.
as for the last sentence, i'm pretty sure that's why he was encouraged to resign, and why he did resign as soon as he was told about the investigation. and i'm sure he feels like a complete and utter fool.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so petraus having an affair is a black eye for all the above? seriously?! god in heaven, i didn't know the president would be held responsible for some guy plowing another mans field.

The fact that this was covered up till after the election is an issue not to mention that after an obvious screw up in Libya with the CIA directly in the middle of it it is ironic that its director is outed a few days after the election and prior to his testimony on said screw up. Obama didn't cause Petraeus to exercise poor judgement but the timing of the matter is very odd and lets not forget that the President is responsible as he himself has said many times though usually while deflecting the blame elsewhere.

Would it have cost Obama the election? Highly doubtful but i'm sure this story would have been spun far more aggresively had it occured during the election media frenzy as opposed to during the victory lap.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The fact that this was covered up till after the election is an issue not to mention that after an obvious screw up in Libya with the CIA directly in the middle of it it is ironic that its director is outed a few days after the election and prior to his testimony on said screw up. Obama didn't cause Petraeus to exercise poor judgement but the timing of the matter is very odd and lets not forget that the President is responsible as he himself has said many times though usually while deflecting the blame elsewhere.

Would it have cost Obama the election? Highly doubtful but i'm sure this story would have been spun far more aggresively had it occured during the election media frenzy as opposed to during the victory lap.

sorry, just don't see that it is a big coverup. if the media isn't making a big deal about the actual attack, with supposed real time knowledge but no action, i don't see why petraus dipping his wick was something to worry about. besides, most people didn't think it was a big deal about clinton, so how could it be with the general?
and he will still be compelled to testify, regardless of whether he is in or out of the cia. i think there would have been something to it had the other woman been a libyan terrorist. other than that, it's just the latest fodder for folks who watch that pageant kid.

and yeah, you're right about the tmz-ization of america. and it's embarrassing.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

sorry, just don't see that it is a big coverup. if the media isn't making a big deal about the actual attack, with supposed real time knowledge but no action, i don't see why petraus dipping his wick was something to worry about. besides, most people didn't think it was a big deal about clinton, so how could it be with the general?
and he will still be compelled to testify, regardless of whether he is in or out of the cia. i think there would have been something to it had the other woman been a libyan terrorist. other than that, it's just the latest fodder for folks who watch that pageant kid.

and yeah, you're right about the tmz-ization of america. and it's embarrassing.

A coverup is a coverup. IMO it is more about the President saving face before an election especially since the FBI started investigating long before Libya ever happened.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

A coverup is a coverup. IMO it is more about the President saving face before an election especially since the FBI started investigating long before Libya ever happened.

i just don't think petraus' case is a coverup. could be wrong...but i just don't see what happened and who with is worth the energy of a cover up.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i just don't think petraus' case is a coverup. could be wrong...but i just don't see what happened and who with is worth the energy of a cover up.

You think that the FBI has been investigating the head of the CIA for months and the White House is claiming the President didn't know about it is truthful? You dont think if when Obama started slipping a bit in the polls that this story breaking wouldn't have hurt him even if just slightly? It might not have effected the final result but are you ok with the White House lying to us about a matter that you feel isnt of national security?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You think that the FBI has been investigating the head of the CIA for months and the White House is claiming the President didn't know about it is truthful? You dont think if when Obama started slipping a bit in the polls that this story breaking wouldn't have hurt him even if just slightly? It might not have effected the final result but are you ok with the White House lying to us about a matter that you feel isnt of national security?

if i don't feel it is a matter of national security, why would i care about who knew what and when?
he was screwing a girl. so what?!
and if the first debate, and the libya attack and all the other real problems didn't matter, why would it matter that some guy not named obama was screwing someone other than his wife?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You think that the FBI has been investigating the head of the CIA for months and the White House is claiming the President didn't know about it is truthful? You dont think if when Obama started slipping a bit in the polls that this story breaking wouldn't have hurt him even if just slightly? It might not have effected the final result but are you ok with the White House lying to us about a matter that you feel isnt of national security?

Having lived through an eight-year administration that lied us into a war and then lied about how it was going so as not to hurt their own reelection prospects, I can say this is not anywhere on the same level.

In fact, Petraeus himself wrote an op-ed piece in 2004, totally lying about what was going on in Iraq, in order to bolster Bush's reelection prospects in an election that was much closer than the one we just had.

But, as this article points out, Petraeus' first blow job came from the media:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mhastings/th...david-petraeus

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Danzig

sorry, just don't see that it is a big coverup. if the media isn't making a big deal about the actual attack, with supposed real time knowledge but no action, i don't see why petraus dipping his wick was something to worry about. besides, most people didn't think it was a big deal about clinton, so how could it be with the general?
and he will still be compelled to testify, regardless of whether he is in or out of the cia. i think there would have been something to it had the other woman been a libyan terrorist. other than that, it's just the latest fodder for folks who watch that pageant kid.

and yeah, you're right about the tmz-ization of america. and it's embarrassing.

The "media" seems to do a lot of "selective reporting" these days doesn't it? Corruption INC.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

The "media" seems to do a lot of "selective reporting" these days doesn't it? Corruption INC.

these days? you mean always i think.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Danzig

these days? you mean always i think.

Most always!

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so petraus having an affair is a black eye for all the above? seriously?! god in heaven, i didn't know the president would be held responsible for some guy plowing another mans field.