BCS question

[Danzig]

the punishments were less about going after people that are no longer there, and more about sending up a huge warning to all the other schools who might be tempted to engage in similar behavior.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the punishments were less about going after people that are no longer there, and more about sending up a huge warning to all the other schools who might be tempted to engage in similar behavior.

While I understand this way of thinking, I'm not sure that I agree with it. Is what happened at Penn St something that's been happening at schools all over the country for years? Is it likely that if Penn St wasn't punished harshly that other programs are going to look at that and say "hey, they didn't punish Penn St so we can do the same thing"? I think the answer to both questions is no so I feel like if an excessive punishment as a preventative measure is as meaningless as making bullet proof vests mandatory for all citizens to protect against the chances of being shot and killed.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

While I understand this way of thinking, I'm not sure that I agree with it. Is what happened at Penn St something that's been happening at schools all over the country for years? Is it likely that if Penn St wasn't punished harshly that other programs are going to look at that and say "hey, they didn't punish Penn St so we can do the same thing"? I think the answer to both questions is no so I feel like if an excessive punishment as a preventative measure is as meaningless as making bullet proof vests mandatory for all citizens to protect against the chances of being shot and killed.

do you mean child molestation, or programs being treated like they are the main reason a school exists? if you mean the former, it's possible. if it's the latter, sure it happens quite often. the more coaches win, the more leeway they get. and it gets out of hand.
and excessive punishment? i don't think it was excessive.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

While I understand this way of thinking, I'm not sure that I agree with it. Is what happened at Penn St something that's been happening at schools all over the country for years? Is it likely that if Penn St wasn't punished harshly that other programs are going to look at that and say "hey, they didn't punish Penn St so we can do the same thing"? I think the answer to both questions is no so I feel like if an excessive punishment as a preventative measure is as meaningless as making bullet proof vests mandatory for all citizens to protect against the chances of being shot and killed.

She won't be happy until everyone in Happy Valley is dead.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by pointmanscousin

She won't be happy until everyone in Happy Valley is dead.

Or unless all of the businesses dry up and everyone goes broke...........and then dies. Why not penalize all of the people that didn't have a part in it? Actually, as I typed this I started thinking that it probably would make more sense to penalize the town instead of the university/kids. I find it hard to believe that there wasn't talk around town and that some people knew what was going on.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Or unless all of the businesses dry up and everyone goes broke...........and then dies. Why not penalize all of the people that didn't have a part in it? Actually, as I typed this I started thinking that it probably would make more sense to penalize the town instead of the university/kids. I find it hard to believe that there wasn't talk around town and that some people knew what was going on.

The penalty was chiefly for lack of institutional control which of course is another way of saying covering things up. Penn State deserves to be punished, the players were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Is it any less fair that the players on Ohio State that had nothing to do with violations there be heldout of a bowl game?

In the end the players at Penn State arent being penalized, they had an opportunity to transfer without recourse, they still have scholarships, they still are playing football, the better players will still get drafted. That they miss an Outback Bowl or 2 isnt really a hardship.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The penalty was chiefly for lack of institutional control which of course is another way of saying covering things up. Penn State deserves to be punished, the players were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Is it any less fair that the players on Ohio State that had nothing to do with violations there be heldout of a bowl game?

In the end the players at Penn State arent being penalized, they had an opportunity to transfer without recourse, they still have scholarships, they still are playing football, the better players will still get drafted. That they miss an Outback Bowl or 2 isnt really a hardship.

I'm wondering if the schools would just face huge fines instead. You get to go to the Outback Bowl, but you the school will not see the money from the bowl.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

I'm wondering if the schools would just face huge fines instead. You get to go to the Outback Bowl, but you the school will not see the money from the bowl.

The amount of free exposure that Bowls provide would offset any fine. The school and many of its highest ranked, highest paid officals overlooked child molestation in the building, on the campus and aided the criminal by allowing him to use Penn State buildings and property where he committed crimes. They were lucky the football program wasnt eliminated let alone be penalized.

There is no promise of the reward of a bowl game given to NCAA athletes. They get a pretty good deal already and these guys were given the option of leaving if they didn't like the sanctions. Life isnt always fair.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Or unless all of the businesses dry up and everyone goes broke...........and then dies. Why not penalize all of the people that didn't have a part in it? Actually, as I typed this I started thinking that it probably would make more sense to penalize the town instead of the university/kids. I find it hard to believe that there wasn't talk around town and that some people knew what was going on.

hyperbole. some say the poor kids, yet the kids are still coming there in droves.
i guess any and every ncaa sanction is actually against the kids, not the school? that's ridiculous.

Originally Posted by pointmanscousin

She won't be happy until everyone in Happy Valley is dead.

you need a new routine.

you need a new routine.


Well no.

Have you noticed your propensity for yakity yak in any and every topic known to NerdyTrail?

It's time to say "I agree" to anything Randy says over in the Padlock.



"Riot,Jr."....it works, don't you think?

=:>

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Or unless all of the businesses dry up and everyone goes broke...........and then dies. Why not penalize all of the people that didn't have a part in it? Actually, as I typed this I started thinking that it probably would make more sense to penalize the town instead of the university/kids. I find it hard to believe that there wasn't talk around town and that some people knew what was going on.

I think they did,too.

In fact,I think Riot,Jr. knew about it.