BCS question

Originally Posted by Danzig

psu losing doesn't bother me a bit.

At the hand of Ohio State....yes it does

[horseofcourse]

I'm pulling for the State Penn players this year. they are being punished for crimes of crickety and disgusting old white men which they had less than zero to do with. Let's punish the teenagers at State Penn, that will fix it so says the NCAA (No Credibility At All)!! I'm sure this post will get the howling, braying monkeys out in full force here. I'm gonna go back to cleveland sporty things now. Good bye.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I'm pulling for the State Penn players this year. they are being punished for crimes of crickety and disgusting old white men which they had less than zero to do with. Let's punish the teenagers at State Penn, that will fix it so says the NCAA (No Credibility At All)!! I'm sure this post will get the howling, braying monkeys out in full force here. I'm gonna go back to cleveland sporty things now. Good bye.

They had the opportunity to transfer.

You're just a contrarian douchebag.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

They had the opportunity to transfer.

You're just a contrarian douchebag.

exactly. the chose to go there anyway. they aren't victims at all.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

They had the opportunity to transfer.

You're just a contrarian douchebag.

somewhat, but why would a 5th year senior who may actually be a student transfer??....and I guess them getting their degree would not be punishing them at all, so I see your point I guess and in fact I was the one being the braying and howling monkey as normal!

I have the viewpont that it was a criminal case and the criminals are in prison and those who were invovled in the coverup are dead or no longer affiliated with the university. I'm not sure what particular NCAA violations occurred. It was to make them an example of football and basketball taking on an obscene place at a university and that is fine, but football and basketball having obscene importance at universities was not stopped whatsoever by the hideous situation at Penn STate.

As long as you can make an example of someone is good as long as nothing changes which it hasn't.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

somewhat, but why would a 5th year senior who may actually be a student transfer??....and I guess them getting their degree would not be punishing them at all, so I see your point I guess and in fact I was the one being the braying and howling monkey as normal!

So what. Most of them went to Penn State with the dream of making it to the NFL. To think otherwise is naive.

The smart ones are just useful idiots to boost the GPA.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

So what. Most of them went to Penn State with the dream of making it to the NFL. To think otherwise is naive.

The smart ones are just useful idiots to boost the GPA.

i know, but there's still those that aren't "most". And most didn't transfer as you spend 3 or 4 years in one spot, starting over is not too appealing especially when many in their 4th year now fully realize the NFL is likely not coming.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

i know, but there's still those that aren't "most". And most didn't transfer as you spend 3 or 4 years in one spot, starting over is not too appealing especially when many in their 4th year now fully realize the NFL is likely not coming.

I was a NCAA athlete. It's corrupt as can be. Pardon me while I cut some onions.

I'll be back with a heartfelt tribute to those po' widdle fif year Lions.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I'm pulling for the State Penn players this year. they are being punished for crimes of crickety and disgusting old white men which they had less than zero to do with. Let's punish the teenagers at State Penn, that will fix it so says the NCAA (No Credibility At All)!! I'm sure this post will get the howling, braying monkeys out in full force here. I'm gonna go back to cleveland sporty things now. Good bye.

You are 100% correct here. My thing is that nothing Penn St was doing was to gain any kind of competitive advantage. Other schools out there are paying players, giving them cars, employing family members, providing prostitutes, etc., in order to get the players and gain a competitive advantage. To me, those are the kinds of things that the NCAA should be worried about, not criminal offenses involving long since retired, jailed, or dead administrators and coaches. When kids are taking things illegally and you want to punish the school and the kids, fine. At Penn St, the kids that were victimized were already punished.......so let's punish a bunch more people that had nothing at all to do with anything. IF Paterno or any of the other administrators were still there, that would be different. But they aren't.

[Antitrust32]

so the NCAA should not punish a "football above all else including child rape" attitude? Especially when that attitude let a monster run free for a decade? and the rape was occuring on football team grounds?


believe me, I think the punishment was a little much, but there were punishments that were needed, and I'm fine with Joe Pa being stripped of his wins, big fine, scholarships lost...

[King Glorious]

How do you punish an attitude? A school is not a living, breathing thing. It doesn't have an attitude. It's the individuals that are running things that have an attitude and all of them are either dead, in prison, or facing criminal charges. So they are being punished. The NCAA is there to regulate athletics. If there are things going on that are breaking competitive balance rules or things like that, that's where the NCAA steps in. I just don't see where they have jurisdiction in a case like this. I guess I just believe more in punishing those who are actually guilty than those that aren't. I'm all for taking away the wins and I'm ok with a fine too. I'm a little less sure about how I feel about them taking away scholarships and I'm 100% against them banning them from post season play. If those kids that are there now, who had nothing at all to do with any of this, are able to work their asses off and still make it to a bowl game in the face of all of the adversity they are forced to deal with, I say they should be allowed to play.

[Danzig]

the punishments were less about going after people that are no longer there, and more about sending up a huge warning to all the other schools who might be tempted to engage in similar behavior.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the punishments were less about going after people that are no longer there, and more about sending up a huge warning to all the other schools who might be tempted to engage in similar behavior.

While I understand this way of thinking, I'm not sure that I agree with it. Is what happened at Penn St something that's been happening at schools all over the country for years? Is it likely that if Penn St wasn't punished harshly that other programs are going to look at that and say "hey, they didn't punish Penn St so we can do the same thing"? I think the answer to both questions is no so I feel like if an excessive punishment as a preventative measure is as meaningless as making bullet proof vests mandatory for all citizens to protect against the chances of being shot and killed.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pointmanscousin

At the hand of Ohio State....yes it does

and you're wrong again. i bet you're used to it tho.

big liah!



At least I can spell "though".

Bet I'm not wrong....again.