Convention Highlights

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by pointman

No, we need to sweep Obama out with the trash. I don't live in the past like you, I am looking towards the future. The blame Bush card has been vastly overplayed and is not working. You better go back to the liberal playbook and look for something else.

ROR, that's funny...you don't live in the past, what was the last 4 years?..the present?..all you talk about is the last 4 years..if you only live in the future then give Obama another 4 to clean up....

[pointman]

Originally Posted by bigrun

ROR, that's funny...you don't live in the past, what was the last 4 years?..the present?..all you talk about is the last 4 years..if you only live in the future then give Obama another 4 to clean up....

You really are dumb. The past four years are the primary facts relevant to Obama's qualifications, dolt. What happened before him are not.

President's are given four year terms so they have their chance to make their impact on the country, after 4 years the problems that persist in the country fall on the current President, not their predecessor. Of course, third graders understand this, yet I have to explain it to you.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by pointman

You really are dumb. The past four years are the primary facts relevant to Obama's qualifications, dolt. What happened before him are not.

President's are given four year terms so they have their chance to make their impact on the country, after 4 years the problems that persist in the country fall on the current President, not their predecessor. Of course, third graders understand this, yet I have to explain it to you.

So tell me smarty pants ambulance chaser, a 11 year war in Afgan and 8 year war in Iraq started by that idiot you admire, and all the associated costs -trillions- are all on Obama to clean up in 4 years?...yeah, sounds fair to you and the other numbskulls...pardon me but i have to get ready for the First Lady's speech...

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by bigrun

So tell me smarty pants ambulance chaser, a 11 year war in Afgan and 8 year war in Iraq started by that idiot you admire, and all the associated costs -trillions- are all on Obama to clean up in 4 years?...yeah, sounds fair to you and the other numbskulls...pardon me but i have to get ready for the First Lady's speech...

don't forget your sock filled with baby powder

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by bigrun

So tell me smarty pants ambulance chaser

Wow.

* * *

Hey Bigs remember how I said I wasn't gonna come down here...

* * *

I want to point out one teensy thing.

Aside from the fact that he shouldn't be an issue here Mr.Bush has taken the high road and kept his mouth shut for four years out of respect for the office.

He didn't go to the 2008 convention (wasn't he with Hurricane Gustav victims?) and who know...maybe figured all the way around it's better for him to stay far far away.

Or was he still in Africa? Was that July or August... you know, that third trip?

It didn't get a lot of press of course but that's not why he went so there you go.

Okay I am done.

(Go, Pointman!).

Oh and for the record if my living room table were running against Obama I'd vote for it.

I'm not voting for Romney... I'm voting for the chance / probability that anyone else will do better and if it means putting my opinion on social issues aside (because really the platform doesn't mean much. Carter was pro life, wasn't he?* It's not like abortion will become illegal etc) for the sake of the economy so be it.

* My point being so what... nothing will change.

[Danzig]

Mmsc, what is it that you think romney will do that will improve things?
As for the social issues, altho not perhaps monetarily important, those have a huge impact on peoples lives. And i do think there has been erosion of womens rights, and that it shouldnt continue.

I keep seeing and hearing, from many here and elsewhere, that romney will 'be better'. But not once have i been told how that will be accomplished. What stance has romney taken that is opposite to current policy that will give us this change for the better? And what makes you think his changes will occur?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Mmsc, what is it that you think romney will do that will improve things?
As for the social issues, altho not perhaps monetarily important, those have a huge impact on peoples lives. And i do think there has been erosion of womens rights, and that it shouldnt continue.

I keep seeing and hearing, from many here and elsewhere, that romney will 'be better'. But not once have i been told how that will be accomplished. What stance has romney taken that is opposite to current policy that will give us this change for the better? And what makes you think his changes will occur?

Romney said he was going to create 11 million jobs.. We have to vote for that right, he said it? I saw it on my Google search so it has to be true. Will he cut corporate taxes to do it because we know this is 1975 and companies will plough that savings into hiring 11 million workers. Will it be 7 million in India and 4 million in China or will they spread the wealth around maybe Phillipines and Cambodia? Or maybe he'll get into another war or 3 and institute a draft which creates instantaneous jobs.. Just sitting here wondering.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

Romney said he was going to create 11 million jobs.. We have to vote for that right, he said it? I saw it on my Google search so it has to be true.

The funny thing about Romney's claim of magically creating 12 million jobs in 4 years is that the CBO and Labor Board has already predicted that, if we keep going at the slow pace we are now, with no additional improvement, that's exactly how many will be created by Obama's policies currently in place - in other words, that's how much the economy will grow on it's own with no new job creation policies.

Mitt just took that prediction and claimed it for his own - which I find hilarious.

So don't worry - those jobs will appear without Mittens being elected.

I have to mention there is an American Jobs Act sitting there waiting to be passed, that will create several million immediate lower and middle-class jobs (construction, etc), sitting there after being blocked by House Republicans for some long months now - might be a year.

Again, if the Republican Party hadn't chosen to try and destroy this president via total obstruction so they can regain power, if they had done the usual small things required by a government, unemployment would be about 6% right now.

You can see the effects of the Republican policy of "austerity and budget cuts" on Europe. America is far better off and more stable having followed mild stimulative economic policies.

People scream about the deficit, but if you get the economy going, taxes increased, that is gone very quickly. Obama has cut the size if the federal government, decreased the deficit, and even decreased the debt slightly. And the ACA, health care costs which drive nearly 1/5 of our economy, makes marked increases in decreasing that economic expense (yes, the ACA importance is that of an economic policy, too) - aside from making Medicare more efficient, lasting 10 years longer.

Will he cut corporate taxes to do it because we know this is 1975 and companies will plough that savings into hiring 11 million workers. Will it be 7 million in India and 4 million in China or will they spread the wealth around maybe Phillipines and Cambodia? Or maybe he'll get into another war or 3 and institute a draft which creates instantaneous jobs.. Just sitting here wondering.

There is zero substance to Romney, either on fiscal, foreign or domestic policy. He's an empty suit. His advisors on fiscal and foreign are all W. Bush guys.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Mmsc, what is it that you think romney will do that will improve things?
As for the social issues, altho not perhaps monetarily important, those have a huge impact on peoples lives. And i do think there has been erosion of womens rights, and that it shouldnt continue.

I keep seeing and hearing, from many here and elsewhere, that romney will 'be better'. But not once have i been told how that will be accomplished. What stance has romney taken that is opposite to current policy that will give us this change for the better? And what makes you think his changes will occur?

Zig - you been watching MSNBC too much. Since you have already decided on Obama it's just..... moors - moops- moors - moops

Actually Mitt has been quite specific on the issues have a look. You may not like when his plans are - but you can't say he hasn't spelled them out and shown how they are different than Obama's.

http://www.mittromney.com/issues

Here's just one

Energy

Significant Regulatory Reform

The first step will be a rational and streamlined approach to regulation, which would facilitate rapid progress in the development of our domestic reserves of oil and natural gas and allow for further investment in nuclear power.

Establish fixed timetables for all resource development approvals
Create one-stop shop to streamline permitting process for approval of common activities
Implement fast-track procedures for companies with established safety records to conduct pre-approved activities in pre-approved areas
Ensure that environmental laws properly account for cost in regulatory process
Amend Clean Air Act to exclude carbon dioxide from its purview
Expand NRC capabilities for approval of additional nuclear reactor designs
Streamline NRC processes to ensure that licensing decisions for reactors on or adjacent to approved sites, using approved designs, are complete within two years
Increasing Production

The United States is blessed with a cornucopia of carbon-based energy resources. Developing them has been a pathway to prosperity for the nation in the past and offers similar promise for the future.

Conduct comprehensive survey of America’s energy reserves
Open America’s energy reserves for development
Expand opportunities for U.S. resource developers to forge partnerships with neighboring countries
Support construction of pipelines to bring Canadian oil to the United States
Prevent overregulation of shale gas development and extraction
Research and Development

Government has a role to play in innovation in the energy industry. History shows that the United States has moved forward in astonishing ways thanks to national investment in basic research and advanced technology. However, we should not be in the business of steering investment toward particular politically favored approaches. That is a recipe for both time and money wasted on projects that do not bring us dividends. The failure of windmills and solar plants to become economically viable or make a significant contribution to our energy supply is a prime example.

Concentrate alternative energy funding on basic research
Utilize long-term, apolitical funding mechanisms like ARPA-E for basic research

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Zig - you been watching MSNBC too much. Since you have already decided on Obama it's just..... moors - moops- moors - moops

Actually Mitt has been quite specific on the issues have a look. You may not like when his plans are - but you can't say he hasn't spelled them out and shown how they are different than Obama's.

http://www.mittromney.com/issues

Here's just one

Energy

Significant Regulatory Reform

The first step will be a rational and streamlined approach to regulation, which would facilitate rapid progress in the development of our domestic reserves of oil and natural gas and allow for further investment in nuclear power.

Establish fixed timetables for all resource development approvals
Create one-stop shop to streamline permitting process for approval of common activities
Implement fast-track procedures for companies with established safety records to conduct pre-approved activities in pre-approved areas
Ensure that environmental laws properly account for cost in regulatory process
Amend Clean Air Act to exclude carbon dioxide from its purview
Expand NRC capabilities for approval of additional nuclear reactor designs
Streamline NRC processes to ensure that licensing decisions for reactors on or adjacent to approved sites, using approved designs, are complete within two years
Increasing Production

The United States is blessed with a cornucopia of carbon-based energy resources. Developing them has been a pathway to prosperity for the nation in the past and offers similar promise for the future.

Conduct comprehensive survey of America’s energy reserves
Open America’s energy reserves for development
Expand opportunities for U.S. resource developers to forge partnerships with neighboring countries
Support construction of pipelines to bring Canadian oil to the United States
Prevent overregulation of shale gas development and extraction
Research and Development

Government has a role to play in innovation in the energy industry. History shows that the United States has moved forward in astonishing ways thanks to national investment in basic research and advanced technology. However, we should not be in the business of steering investment toward particular politically favored approaches. That is a recipe for both time and money wasted on projects that do not bring us dividends. The failure of windmills and solar plants to become economically viable or make a significant contribution to our energy supply is a prime example.

Concentrate alternative energy funding on basic research
Utilize long-term, apolitical funding mechanisms like ARPA-E for basic research

i don't watch msnbc at all. i'm at work, will revisit all this later.