Was there really a rail bias?

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Maybe because Stormello was close to that fast pace you mentioned and Street Sense wasn't?

Nakatani said that he had to take Thor's Echo off the rail for fear of running over horses in front of him.

Round Pond exploded when she was moved to the rail.

Octave was moving strongly until Gomez switched her out, then she just flattened out.

Yes, there was a rail bias. How much more evidence do you need? The trainers say so, the jockeys say so, pretty much anyone who was at the track or watched the races says so, and four of the five dirt races were won by the inside horse.

If there was such a rail bias , why did the jockeys keep giving up the rail to the winners comming through? If the jockeys knew there was a bias does it mean some of them are just too dumb to block it .

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by jpops757

If there was such a rail bias , why did the jockeys keep giving up the rail to the winners comming through? If the jockeys knew there was a bias does it mean some of them are just too dumb to block it .

How can you block the rail from the rail horse?

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

How can you block the rail from the rail horse?

When they are many lengths nbehind you. Street Sense didnt win on the lead.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by jpops757

When they are many lengths nbehind you. Street Sense didnt win on the lead.

Who said anything about being on the lead? The point is he had the rail for much of the race, and that was a distinct advantage.

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Who said anything about being on the lead? The point is he had the rail for much of the race, and that was a distinct advantage.

Another was on the rail in front of him and let him through.

No track offers the wagering opportunities that Churchill does when using track conditions and configuration.

A few days prior to the cup we posted: www.dmtc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6933

Also posted yesterday at Thorograph regarding the turf course. Good cappin. BBB

[slotdirt]

Stupid me had the top horse in the last four races, but couldn't get the underneath for the exacta. Except in the last, of course, but that was too easy. Better Talk Now just kills betters.

Anyway, obviously there was a rail bias.

Does a bear sh!!t in the woods? Does a horse sh!!t on the track?

CD scraped the track Sat am before the BC (check the races on Friday before BC ... no inside bias then). Why they scraped it, I have no idea.

Overall results on Sat make everything very obvious. LR

Originally Posted by Lbigdog77

Does a bear sh!!t in the woods? Does a horse sh!!t on the track?

CD scraped the track Sat am before the BC (check the races on Friday before BC ... no inside bias then). Why they scraped it, I have no idea.

Overall results on Sat make everything very obvious. LR

Sorry, I have to disagree. Horses won on the lead - Dreaming of Anna who raced 2-3 wide the entire time - Horses won from stalking - Thors Echo who won going 3-4 wide - Horses won from far far back - Street Sense shot up the rail after being 2nd to last by 20 - Invasor won from mid pack going about 7 wide - Round Pound won by racing 2-3 wide mic pack. The only thing in common is that most took the rail which any good jock would do. Round Pound had no place else to go. Dreaming Of Anna led wire to wire and Street Sense had a clear path the entire trip.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Lbigdog77

Does a bear sh!!t in the woods? Does a horse sh!!t on the track?

CD scraped the track Sat am before the BC (check the races on Friday before BC ... no inside bias then). Why they scraped it, I have no idea.

Overall results on Sat make everything very obvious. LR

You would think so. I think the track by the rail was actually moving forward when Street went thru there.He seemed to just jump on.......Euro,we will see if these horses coming out of the 1 hole can repeat any of this. I don't think "Street" will be drawing off by 10,but maybe you guys are right,and he will do it again.I think he was best,but not best by 10 lengths.If C.Q. had taken the rail(and "Street" had gone outside,) I think C.Q. wins that race.Not by 10,but I think he would have won it.Look at C.Q. stop out there.Trevor thought he was moving like the winner,and then he goes to the outside(in the stretch)and can't get thru that cuppy crap(while Street is basically running on concrete at the rail.)A 10 length difference.Is it really that hard for you to see this? You would really have to have a closed mind to not see the difference between what C.Q. and "Street" were running on (in that stretch.)

Yes....the rail was a VERY advantageous place to be last Saturday - no question.....it was disappointing to watch....

IMO:

If Happy Ticket gets Round Pond's trip down the stretch, it is very easy to see her running away in the stretch....Asi Siempre beats them all if she gets through though....

Street Sense, while a nice colt, is NOT 10-lengths better than those horses and Calvin didn't even have to ride him from the sixteenth pole to the wire and he was running away. Not sure what Calvin is doing these days but it seems like he has been a little TOO productive at CD last spring to now....

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You would think so. I think the track by the rail was actually moving forward when Street went thru there.He seemed to just jump on.......Euro,we will see if these horses coming out of the 1 hole can repeat any of this. I don't think "Street" will be drawing off by 10,but maybe you guys are right,and he will do it again.I think he was best,but not best by 10 lengths.If C.Q. had taken the rail(and "Street" had gone outside,) I think C.Q. wins that race.Not by 10,but I think he would have won it.Look at C.Q. stop out there.Trevor thought he was moving like the winner,and then he goes to the outside(in the stretch)and can't get thru that cuppy crap(while Street is basically running on concrete at the rail.)A 10 length difference.Is it really that hard for you to see this? You would really have to have a closed mind to not see the difference between what C.Q. and "Street" were running on (in that stretch.)

I agree, Scuds. I just don't see Street Sense as being a horse 10 lengths better than CQ or Scat Daddy... it appeared to me that Street Sense was running on a super speedway.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You would think so. I think the track by the rail was actually moving forward when Street went thru there.He seemed to just jump on.......Euro,we will see if these horses coming out of the 1 hole can repeat any of this. I don't think "Street" will be drawing off by 10,but maybe you guys are right,and he will do it again.I think he was best,but not best by 10 lengths.If C.Q. had taken the rail(and "Street" had gone outside,) I think C.Q. wins that race.Not by 10,but I think he would have won it.Look at C.Q. stop out there.Trevor thought he was moving like the winner,and then he goes to the outside(in the stretch)and can't get thru that cuppy crap(while Street is basically running on concrete at the rail.)A 10 length difference.Is it really that hard for you to see this? You would really have to have a closed mind to not see the difference between what C.Q. and "Street" were running on (in that stretch.)

Well most of the lenghts were from the path each horse choose. Street Sense took the rail and Quat went about 8 wide. Now I dont know how many lengths that equates to but if prob contributes to the 10 lengths. In addition, look at the two horses making their moves down the backstreatch. Steet was moving much better than Quay. Plus, I think Street had a GREAT day. Giiving all these factors, it make sense that Street won by 10.