Pennsylvania Voter Suppression law in court

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

not sure where you're going with that, but yes, a lot of people are intolerant. including religious people. now, if you're a good christian and follow the golden rule-i'm all for it. that's great.
but, if you're using religion as a way to excuse your hate and intolerance...well, i find that reprehensible. and back in the day, religion was used as an argument to keep slavery.

When the government is intolerant towards a religion whether it be because of birth control or supporting on straight marriages we have a problem Houston!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

When the government is intolerant towards a religion whether it be because of birth control or supporting on straight marriages we have a problem Houston!

the govt is not supposed to be anything towards any religion. they're supposed to have nothing to do with whatever religion a group might espouse.
and i have problems with people who use their religion as a tool to beat others they don't like over the head (obviously in a figurative sense) or as a way to control public and govt policy. it's not supposed to have anything to do with laws, rights, the constitution, etc. if you don't believe in same sex marriage, don't engage in it. but your not liking it, or condoning it, doesn't mean that others should be banned from it.


and your article above is about the democratic party and someone they don't want as a member of their party-quite different than your claim that 'the govt' is after him.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the govt is not supposed to be anything towards any religion. they're supposed to have nothing to do with whatever religion a group might espouse..

Then when a Government tells a particular religion whose doctrine dictates ABC they have to provide BC to their employees we again have a problem.

It's not like that particular religion are beating their wives or killing their daughters?

Funny how reporters here are on tip toes quoting Sikhs and them explaining what the difference between their religion and Islam. Mainly they treat women equal, do not demand anyone else convert to their religion and invite everyone, regardless of race or religion into their services. In other words quite the opposite.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Then when a Government tells a particular religion whose doctrine dictates ABC they have to provide BC to their employees we again have a problem.

False. Simply, completely, false.

That is not happening, Dell.

There are religious exemptions, NO religion is being forced by the government to provide birth control under the ACA

Funny how reporters here are on tip toes quoting Sikhs and them explaining what the difference between their religion and Islam. Mainly they treat women equal, do not demand anyone else convert to their religion and invite everyone, regardless of race or religion into their services. In other words quite the opposite.

What bull.shiat. Your continued, deliberate and proud ignorance and hate of "Islam" is unbelievable. Can you just. stop. with. pushing. your. bigotry. here? Keep your hate of, and lies about, Muslims to yourself? You've pushed the same false and ignorant nonsense about Islam for years on this board. I doubt your talk would be as tolerated if it was about Jews or Christians. Look in a mirror before you lecture others about religious hate.

I'd guess you think all "Christian" sects are the same. You know, that the hatemongers of Westboro Baptist represents all Baptist sects - or all Christians.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Then when a Government tells a particular religion whose doctrine dictates ABC they have to provide BC to their employees we again have a problem.It's not like that particular religion are beating their wives or killing their daughters?

Funny how reporters here are on tip toes quoting Sikhs and them explaining what the difference between their religion and Islam. Mainly they treat women equal, do not demand anyone else convert to their religion and invite everyone, regardless of race or religion into their services. In other words quite the opposite.

that's just not the case. they have said insurers must include birth control as part of their overall services. it's not the employers responsibility, but humana's or bcbs, etc. no one's being forced to buy/use the stuff either. so, people are free to continue to use the rhythm method as the pope tells them.
i mean, seriously, you think most people don't use the stuff??? that's hilarious.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's just not the case. they have said insurers must include birth control as part of their overall services. it's not the employers responsibility, but humana's or bcbs, etc. no one's being forced to buy/use the stuff either. so, people are free to continue to use the rhythm method as the pope tells them.
i mean, seriously, you think most people don't use the stuff??? that's hilarious.

Loyola University in Chicago is self-insured. I've heard nothing about them being exempted and they will go along with the government's imposition on religion.

I have heard Notre Dame, also self-insured, may be willing to pay some sort of penalty.

And I have no problem personally with people 'using the stuff'.
Just as long as they pay for their own stuff and others are left out of it!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Loyola University in Chicago is self-insured. I've heard nothing about them being exempted and they will go along with the government's imposition on religion.

I have heard Notre Dame, also self-insured, may be willing to pay some sort of penalty.

And I have no problem personally with people 'using the stuff'.
Just as long as they pay for their own stuff and others are left out of it!

every other aspect of pregnancy is handled by health care and insurance. i don't get why you and some others have an issue with bc being included. especially when one considers some of the other things that are covered.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

every other aspect of pregnancy is handled by health care and insurance. i don't get why you and some others have an issue with bc being included. especially when one considers some of the other things that are covered.

Personally I don't have a problem with it either but obviously others do. And I respect freedom of religion (as long as its doctrines are within the country's laws) more than I do the freedom to receive free BC pills.

Face it we were lied to once again. If BC actually lowers healthcare costs overall insurance companies by way of free market would have had it included all along.

[Danzig]

and back to the topic at hand (gotta love the title to this thread )


judge rules:


http://news.yahoo.com/pennsylvania-j...141100233.html

He found that the civil rights groups failed to show that the law was unconstitutional under all circumstances since it applies to all qualified voters, requiring them to present a photo ID that can be obtained for free. Judges would also be stationed at polling places on Election Day to resolve individual disputes, he added.

While Simpson acknowledged that political interests may have motivated the legislators who voted for the law, that did not make the law unconstitutional, he said.


much like the scotus ruling a few years ago. the burden to get i.d. is the same for all, the law isn't discriminatory.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

When the government is intolerant towards a religion whether it be because of birth control or supporting on straight marriages we have a problem Houston!

I'm more worried when Americans, who should know better, as it goes against everything this country stands for, are intolerant of a particular religion - like the hate against Muslims some in this country demonstrate.

The government isn't being intolerant towards the religion, they are being intolerant of that religion forcing their religious views on everyone else. Quite a big difference. I wouldn't conflate them as you do.