Ok I Have Had Enough

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Whose fault is it that Bernardini never gets looked in the eye, when Lava Man is life and death to beat the vaunted Brother Derek, Magnum, Super Frolic triumverate over and over again? Should Bernardini slow down and look horses in the eye like Seabiscuit? It's hilarious. You're criticizing him for being too fast. I'm sure if Bernardini had "looked in the eye" of Wanderin Boy or Bluegrass Cat or Sweetnorthernsaint and "fought to win," you'd all be praising him, right? Bull****. Everyone would be on their "he struggled to win" high horse. All this ****ing west coast horse does is beat up on the same tired nags all year long, and you want to give him more credit because he's a "fighter"? How about he's just slower than Bernardini? You really think Bernardini would've had to be urged to beat Brother Derek by 2 1/4?

Those were your words Ateam, I can cut and paste also.

You're right. You can cut and paste. Now all you need is a point to argue, and you'll be set.

Originally Posted by oracle80

You really think saying that my favorite horse ever(ghostzapper) would have urinated on him is the equivalent to wanting to poison a horse?
This is worse than last year when you said St Liam would lose and then just disappeared off the old board, without owning up to the criticism.
Grow up, I respect you but not this bull****. Your horse lost, take it like a man.

Ease up there slim. I'm not sure if you noticed, but I left the old board a week before the BC, and it had nothing to do with racing. I decided that I didn't like how much some of the bull**** that was said on there was bothering me, so I pretty much stepped back and took a reality check. I'd say this is something you should've done a long time ago, but I think you've always been this obnoxious.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

I'm sure if the horse had won by 10, you'd still be criticizing anyone who bet him at even money or singled him.


and if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass every time he hopped.


thing is, he didn't win by ten..so what's the point?

The point is it's much easier to ridicule those who bet Bernardini to even money and singled him after he loses.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're right. You can cut and paste. Now all you need is a point to argue, and you'll be set.



Ease up there slim. I'm not sure if you noticed, but I left the old board a week before the BC, and it had nothing to do with racing. I decided that I didn't like how much some of the bull**** that was said on there was bothering me, so I pretty much stepped back and took a reality check. I'd say this is something you should've done a long time ago, but I think you've always been this obnoxious.



The point is it's much easier to ridicule those who bet Bernardini to even money and singled him after he loses.

he was set at even money on the morning line, which blew my mind. i mean, this wasn't the jcgc, this was the bcc! and i said all along not to single him, i chose ouija to single--so it's not like i'm dog piling on now.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

he was set at even money on the morning line, which blew my mind. i mean, this wasn't the jcgc, this was the bcc! and i said all along not to single him, i chose ouija to single--so it's not like i'm dog piling on now.

Well then, I have to say I didn't see you saying any of that before the race, but I'll take your word for it, and congratulations, you were right.

I just can't stand when people try to sound like geniuses after the fact.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Well then, I have to say I didn't see you saying any of that before the race, but I'll take your word for it, and congratulations, you were right.

I just can't stand when people try to sound like geniuses after the fact.

i felt pretty well about invasor, said all last week not to shrug him off due to the layoff--barbaro taught me that you don't ignore a horse based on just having time away....been on invasor all year. i remember when i was defending lava man after one of his wins, more than one person asked if i felt so good about LM that he was my bcc pick. i said no, that i was backing invasor. just thought lava man got hammered too much, hell he won all but once all year.

doesn't really matter tho, i couldn't put my money where my mouth was on any of the racing.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Well then, I have to say I didn't see you saying any of that before the race, but I'll take your word for it, and congratulations, you were right.

I just can't stand when people try to sound like geniuses after the fact.

Nope, that's not correct either. There were numerous threads, before the fact, where several people tried to point out that Invasor was a serious threat to Bernardini. No matter what was said, getting through to some of the Bernardini people was futile. They acted like they knew it all. To use your words, "they tried to sound like geniuses".

Here is an example.

http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthr...1037#post81037

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Nope, that's not correct either. There were numerous threads, before the fact, where several people tried to point out that Invasor was a serious threat to Bernardini. No matter what was said, getting through to some of the Bernardini people was futile. They acted like they knew it all. To use your words, "they tried to sound like geniuses".

Here is an example.

http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthr...1037#post81037

As usual, you miss the point. All I said was that I didn't see Zeigler stating before the race that Bernardini shouldn't be even money and anyone who singles him is crazy, as she was saying afterwards.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

As usual, you miss the point. All I said was that I didn't see Zeigler stating before the race that Bernardini shouldn't be even money and anyone who singles him is crazy, as she was saying afterwards.

Missed the point? Hardly.

Over and over you were quick to characterize someone with the label "postrace genius", without even considering what may have been said pre-race. examples;
"I just can't stand when people try to sound like geniuses after the fact" and
"The point is it's much easier to ridicule those who bet Bernardini to even money and singled him after he loses" and "Ah yes, another postrace genius."

I was trying to point out to you that much was said pre-race, and that you might want to consider that before jumping to more conclusions.

[Pointg5]

Sounds like the Bernardini fans can dish it, but not take it...

Do you know how many threads we would see if he won that would say how stupid the doubters were...

There were quotes like these:

He's here, the horse we have been all waiting for and some don't appreciate him...

He's going to get his Coronation...

and multiple quotes of arrogance of how he easily would win the BCC...

He didn't and now the people who questioned him are right, that's okay, this game changes we could all be wrong about the next thing, but if we are arrogant enough to say some of the things said about Bernardini, we should get some ribbing as well...I think he's a very good horse, not great or one of the greats, but very good and I think I overvalued him, I gave him about a 75%-80% chance of winning and that was probably too high, but it more than worked out for me...

Get over it and say you were wrong, dead wrong, in fact you couldn't have been more wrong, but I doubt we'll see it...

And congrats to Arljim, he's one that I remember for a long time saying how good Invasior was....

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Missed the point? Hardly.

Over and over you were quick to characterize someone with the label "postrace genius", without even considering what may have been said pre-race. examples;
"I just can't stand when people try to sound like geniuses after the fact" and
"The point is it's much easier to ridicule those who bet Bernardini to even money and singled him after he loses" and "Ah yes, another postrace genius."

I was trying to point out to you that much was said pre-race, and that you might want to consider that before jumping to more conclusions.

"Over and over"? Um, okay. I was talking specifically to Zeig about specifically her comment. There was no need for you to butt in with your link that proved nothing. Show me where I said "There was no one who liked Invasor before the race." My statement was "The point is it's much easier to ridicule those who bet Bernardini to even money and singled him after he loses" and that holds validity no matter what link you pull out, so back up.

And all of this "Bernardini fans can dish it but not take it" bull****.. Give me a break. You want to say Invasor's a better horse? Fine with me. I personally am not going to say that based on one meeting and a one length difference, but if you want to say it, that's not outlandish. You want to say Bernardini was overrated? Cool. Of course he was.. Like dalakhani said, he would've had to win by 10+ NOT to be considered overrated (and for the record, it was mainly the media crowd that was overrating him in order to get people to watch). But to say he lost because of a "lack of heart" or to write him off as a total piece of **** is where I step in. All of that is silly.

By the way, you have no right to ever say a discouraging word about Bernardini if you ever hyped up Lava Man. None. The way things sound around here, you'd swear Bernardini ran last and Lava Man skipped the race. Lava Man was just as hyped earlier in the year as Bernardini was recently, and yet the people who immediately sang the praises of Lava Man's supposed brilliance get no flak whatsoever. It's a ridiculous double standard and I'm tired of it.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're right. You can cut and paste. Now all you need is a point to argue, and you'll be set.



Ease up there slim. I'm not sure if you noticed, but I left the old board a week before the BC, and it had nothing to do with racing. I decided that I didn't like how much some of the bull**** that was said on there was bothering me, so I pretty much stepped back and took a reality check. I'd say this is something you should've done a long time ago, but I think you've always been this obnoxious.



The point is it's much easier to ridicule those who bet Bernardini to even money and singled him after he loses.

Noone is talking about betting Ateam.
At least I'm not. I don't think his odds had much to do with anything really.
And yeah he was great, I said it at least 3 times today on various threads. Its just that if you went back and read some of the **** that you and others posted to people who had doubts, you'd see what the deal was here.
Lets face it, you are now batting .500 on these deals. I don't forget anything. You were the original talk **** king on GZ, when others had doubts. And you were one obnoxious dude after he kicked ass in the BCC, you got your licks in on everyone and deservedly so. You called the shot, and you got the spoils. This time you didn't, and I expected you to suck up and take it like a man.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Noone is talking about betting Ateam.
At least I'm not. I don't think his odds had much to do with anything really.
And yeah he was great, I said it at least 3 times today on various threads. Its just that if you went back and read some of the **** that you and others posted to people who had doubts, you'd see what the deal was here.
Lets face it, you are now batting .500 on these deals. I don't forget anything. You were the original talk **** king on GZ, when others had doubts. And you were one obnoxious dude after he kicked ass in the BCC, you got your licks in on everyone and deservedly so. You called the shot, and you got the spoils. This time you didn't, and I expected you to suck up and take it like a man.

And what about you? Youve been sucking on Circular Quay's horse C o c k since the summer. He was supposed to be the next coming according to you and he wasnt very close to the winner on BC day. I heard you and a bunch of his fans talking all this mess about CQ. What happened to him?

All I was ever saying is it is tough to run in large fields with a bunch of good horses. Bernardini ran a very good race and I now have more respect for such a talented 3 year old. He faced a large fairly tough field and responded admirably. People just dont understand that a horse does not necessarily have to win to earn respect. Smarty Jones impressed me more in the Belmont than any other race I saw him run. That race put him in a special category. But of course a horse has to win... for some people. Mineshaft running a fantastic race against Perfect Drift also put him in a new category for me. These horses just did not give in, they gave everything they had. That is one of the things that defines a great animal for me.

Too bad we wont have the pleasure of watching him run again. I think with a better strategy, a little maturity, and an understanding that this was not the same type of field, Bernardini could indeed win a tough race like he just lost. He could have been one of the great ones, no doubt about that. Only 3 years old. Its really sad for me.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

All I was ever saying is it is tough to run in large fields with a bunch of good horses. Bernardini ran a very good race and I now have more respect for such a talented 3 year old. He faced a large fairly tough field and responded admirably. People just dont understand that a horse does not necessarily have to win to earn respect. Smarty Jones impressed me more in the Belmont than any other race I saw him run. That race put him in a special category. But of course a horse has to win... for some people. Mineshaft running a fantastic race against Perfect Drift also put him in a new category for me. These horses just did not give in, they gave everything they had. That is one of the things that defines a great animal for me.

Too bad we wont have the pleasure of watching him run again. I think with a better strategy, a little maturity, and an understanding that this was not the same type of field, Bernardini could indeed win a tough race like he just lost. He could have been one of the great ones, no doubt about that. Only 3 years old. Its really sad for me.

many a horse has gained more respect in defeat than some have with a win! that was demonstrated so often over the years with true handicapping races. sad that those have gone by the wayside, everyone so scared of losing anymore, regardless of how the horse looks in defeat.

i think i'm coming across this evening as being irritated by bernardini...fact is i'm pissed that he won't be back. that we have only have a handful of races from him--he's through. that run in the half dark the other day was it. and THAT stinks. i hope i never see the words 'sheik mo' and 'sportsman' together again.