Speaking of things that will proably eventually kill you...

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

The study that initially demonized saturated fats, the authors were later caught for falsifying their data.

In which manner did they falsify their data, you might ask?

They used trans fats in place of saturated fats (in tests) to justify the use of trans fats to replace saturated fats in the American diet!

You cannot make this stuff up!

As for the studies you mention? Keep in mind most 'meat' animals in this country are raised on mostly grain based diets. Grains (I am including seeds as well) are loaded with polyunsaturated fats, which are beyond any shadow of a doubt HORRIBLE for you. Studies purporting to espouse the health benefits of PUFAs (poly unsaturated fatty acids) are invariably funded by groups that make a lot of money from growing corn, rapeseed, etc..


Ornish's study has been thoroughly debunked.

I urge you to read Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon, head of the Weston A. Price foundation. Get it on Amazon.

I know far too many people that have remarkably improved their health by ditching veggie oils and going back to our more traditional type of diet, the ones our ancestors would have eaten.

Remember, all of these Western style diseases (heart disease, diabetes, etc..) didn't go epidemic until shortly after the food pyramid was introduced and saturated fats were demonized.

One of the main targets of those initial studies was coconut oil! Coconut oil is great stuff. You can eat coconut oil to lose weight, it fights infection and also provides quick energy. It also is highly resistant to oxidation which makes it a great choice for cooking oil.

With any polyunsaturated fatty acid that you buy in the store, you are buying rancid fats before you even open it. I mean rancid in the chemical sense, in that the oil is badly oxidized well before it reaches the consumer. This is not even debatable.

Oxidized oils are cancer and heart disease in a bottle.

My understanding is that there is a huge difference between grass-fed meat and the grain-fed meat that 99.999% of us eat. I have heard that grass-fed meat is not bad for you at all.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

My understanding is that there is a huge difference between grass-fed meat and the grain-fed meat that 99.999% of us eat. I have heard that grass-fed meat is not bad for you at all.

I only eat grass-fed, for more reasons than just my own health.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I only eat grass-fed, for more reasons than just my own health.

I've never tried grass-fed beef. I'm anxious to try it. Not only is it much better for you, I've heard it tastes better too. I rarely eat red meat. I eat it less than once a month.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I've never tried grass-fed beef. I'm anxious to try it. Not only is it much better for you, I've heard it tastes better too. I rarely eat red meat. I eat it less than once a month.

You will also notice it cooks a little differently too.

http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/grassfedbeef/

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

You will also notice it cooks a little differently too.

http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/grassfedbeef/

I actually do all of my shopping at Whole Foods. But I always buy stuff that is already cooked. I don't know why but they never have grass-fed beef in the part of the store where they have the cooked food. They only have it in the butcher's department.

Would you say the grass-fed beef tastes much better?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I actually do all of my shopping at Whole Foods. But I always buy stuff that is already cooked. I don't know why but they never have grass-fed beef in the part of the store where they have the cooked food. They only have it in the butcher's department.

Would you say the grass-fed beef tastes much better?

It definitely has more flavor. I buy their prepared foods alot too, but it seems like they cater to the general american's menu (at least my store does) than showing off some of their healthier items. I LOVE the butternut squash dishes and mashed cauliflower though.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

It definitely has more flavor. I buy their prepared foods alot too, but it seems like they cater to the general american's menu (at least my store does) than showing off some of their healthier items. I LOVE the butternut squash dishes and mashed cauliflower though.

I get the butternut squash and kale all the time.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I actually do all of my shopping at Whole Foods. But I always buy stuff that is already cooked. I don't know why but they never have grass-fed beef in the part of the store where they have the cooked food. They only have it in the butcher's department.

Would you say the grass-fed beef tastes much better?

It's a lot leaner, so if you are used to fatty red meat, you might take awhile getting used to it.

Otherwise, it's sweet. Literally.

Here is a great source of grassfed meat. It's called North Star Bison and can be found at northstarbison.com

the bison are basically free ranged over zillions of wild acres in Wisconsin, and are not fussed with. The prices are less than most sources of bison, it's cleaner than other sources of bison, and the shipping (at least it used to be) is ridiculously affordable. I used to get 50 lbs of bison shipped over night for a mere $20 shipping charge.

Since taking up hunting and knowing lots of grass feeding ranchers around here, I do not need to order from them, but lots of people in LA do just that. While I still lived there, most of the people I knew considered that the best place to get grassfed meat.

That was like ten years ago, so I'm sure there are plenty of options now.

That website does offer other meats now, if you order stuff from them, let me know how your experience goes.

Another great resource is eatwild...

http://www.eatwild.com/index.html

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

It's a lot leaner, so if you are used to fatty red meat, you might take awhile getting used to it.

Otherwise, it's sweet. Literally.

Here is a great source of grassfed meat. It's called North Star Bison and can be found at northstarbison.com

the bison are basically free ranged over zillions of wild acres in Wisconsin, and are not fussed with. The prices are less than most sources of bison, it's cleaner than other sources of bison, and the shipping (at least it used to be) is ridiculously affordable. I used to get 50 lbs of bison shipped over night for a mere $20 shipping charge.

Since taking up hunting and knowing lots of grass feeding ranchers around here, I do not need to order from them, but lots of people in LA do just that. While I still lived there, most of the people I knew considered that the best place to get grassfed meat.

That was like ten years ago, so I'm sure there are plenty of options now.

That website does offer other meats now, if you order stuff from them, let me know how your experience goes.

Another great resource is eatwild...

http://www.eatwild.com/index.html

Thanks for the info. I probably wouldn't order it right now because I rarely eat red meat and I don't like to cook. If I ever did decide to start eating grass-fed beef once every few months, wouldn't it just be better for me to get it at Whole Foods? I would think it would only make sense to order it on-line if you were ordering in bulk.

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I actually do all of my shopping at Whole Foods. But I always buy stuff that is already cooked.

Must be nice, they don't call it The Whole Paycheck for nothing.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I only eat grass-fed, for more reasons than just my own health.

Are you still in Virginia?

Instead of getting ripped off at WF, why not check that eatwild website and form relationships directly with the producer? It's a much better experience, and certainly much cheaper.

Every year I get a small group of friends together and buy an entire cow/steer. Usually either Angus or Hereford breed. By the time all is said and done, I'm paying about 4.50 to 5.00 a lb (meat, slaughter, butchering, packaging), and that's for everything! From ground and stew meat up to porterhouse, ribeye and more.

It's probably more where you live, but if you learn to look for farmers that raise food, you'd be surprised what you can come up with.

I LOVE stopping at some house/farm that has cows grazing on their property, and shooting the shiit with the farmer. I've made some great connections that way.

Anyways, get yourself a drop down chest style freezer, organize a small buying group and enjoy great and affordable meat all year long.

You'd be surprised how little space it takes up too. You can get about 25 lbs of frozen meat into one of those old style paper shopping bags you used to get at the super market.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Are you still in Virginia?

Instead of getting ripped off at WF, why not check that eatwild website and form relationships directly with the producer? It's a much better experience, and certainly much cheaper.

Every year I get a small group of friends together and buy an entire cow/steer. Usually either Angus or Hereford breed. By the time all is said and done, I'm paying about 4.50 to 5.00 a lb (meat, slaughter, butchering, packaging), and that's for everything! From ground and stew meat up to porterhouse, ribeye and more.

It's probably more where you live, but if you learn to look for farmers that raise food, you'd be surprised what you can come up with.

I LOVE stopping at some house/farm that has cows grazing on their property, and shooting the shiit with the farmer. I've made some great connections that way.

Anyways, get yourself a drop down chest style freezer, organize a small buying group and enjoy great and affordable meat all year long.

You'd be surprised how little space it takes up too. You can get about 25 lbs of frozen meat into one of those old style paper shopping bags you used to get at the super market.

sightypoo is perky

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by geeker2

sightypoo is perky

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Are you still in Virginia?

Instead of getting ripped off at WF, why not check that eatwild website and form relationships directly with the producer? It's a much better experience, and certainly much cheaper.

Every year I get a small group of friends together and buy an entire cow/steer. Usually either Angus or Hereford breed. By the time all is said and done, I'm paying about 4.50 to 5.00 a lb (meat, slaughter, butchering, packaging), and that's for everything! From ground and stew meat up to porterhouse, ribeye and more.

It's probably more where you live, but if you learn to look for farmers that raise food, you'd be surprised what you can come up with.

I LOVE stopping at some house/farm that has cows grazing on their property, and shooting the shiit with the farmer. I've made some great connections that way.

Anyways, get yourself a drop down chest style freezer, organize a small buying group and enjoy great and affordable meat all year long.

You'd be surprised how little space it takes up too. You can get about 25 lbs of frozen meat into one of those old style paper shopping bags you used to get at the super market.

About the only thing I've found decent in Virginia is that there are some really great farms that raise their cattle and chickens by pasture and free-range (one of them was that guy in Food, Inc. http://www.relayfoods.com/Catalog?ve...=PFR&ref=thumb). I'm just really bad at planning my groceries ahead of time...

There is a company that started up in the Richmond/Charlottesville area that seems interesting -- they are trying to become the one source where the local farms can sell their foods and people can either pick them up at one place or have them delivered. http://www.relayfoods.com/About/Overview

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

About the only thing I've found decent in Virginia is that there are some really great farms that raise their cattle and chickens by pasture and free-range (one of them was that guy in Food, Inc. http://www.relayfoods.com/Catalog?ve...=PFR&ref=thumb). I'm just really bad at planning my groceries ahead of time...

There is a company that started up in the Richmond/Charlottesville area that seems interesting -- they are trying to become the one source where the local farms can sell their foods and people can either pick them up at one place or have them delivered. http://www.relayfoods.com/About/Overview

Grocery shopping for me is pretty easy. I'm all about simplicity.

My typical week of food consists of venison I got myself, local pork, local beef and seafood. Lately I've been getting super fresh scallops for $3.95 a pound, mussels for $2.50 a pound, oysters from 42 to 65 cents each, monkfish, sockeye salmon from Alaska, etc, at least three times a week. Of all of that, only the sockeye is not local. OH, I still have that wild shrimp in the freezer, that I paid $1 a pound for.

I go to the supermarket for bananas. Gotta have my cheap potassium.

I get raw goat milk and chicken eggs down the street, but now that I have geese, ducks and chickens, it won't be too long before I never have to buy eggs.

Veggies? I think you get more bang for your buck, both caloric and nutrient wise, from good meat, but when I want veggies, I go to the farmers market, or join a CSA.

It's pretty easy!!!!

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Grocery shopping for me is pretty easy. I'm all about simplicity.

My typical week of food consists of venison I got myself, local pork, local beef and seafood. Lately I've been getting super fresh scallops for $3.95 a pound, mussels for $2.50 a pound, oysters from 42 to 65 cents each, monkfish, sockeye salmon from Alaska, etc, at least three times a week. Of all of that, only the sockeye is not local. OH, I still have that wild shrimp in the freezer, that I paid $1 a pound for.

I go to the supermarket for bananas. Gotta have my cheap potassium.

I get raw goat milk and chicken eggs down the street, but now that I have geese, ducks and chickens, it won't be too long before I never have to buy eggs.

Veggies? I think you get more bang for your buck, both caloric and nutrient wise, from good meat, but when I want veggies, I go to the farmers market, or join a CSA.

It's pretty easy!!!!

I love scallops!!! I do the banana thing too. Do you eat any kind of wheat?

I read in one of those Natural Health magazines a few months ago that Maine was one of the best states about eating local. ME, along with CA and NH, have great companies for cosmetics/personal care too.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I love scallops!!! I do the banana thing too. Do you eat any kind of wheat?

I read in one of those Natural Health magazines a few months ago that Maine was one of the best states about eating local. ME, along with CA and NH, have great companies for cosmetics/personal care too.

Yeah, I make my own bread using unbleached, unbromated (horrible stuff, bromine) organic wheat.

I don't eat tons of it. Most grain I eat is either quinoa or millet.

I've been phenomenally lucky that the two states I've lived in, and the state I work in, are ME, CA and NH.

NH is trying to destroy itself in this area though.

There is a goat farm in NH that makes great goat milk soap, and other products, that I like to shop at. They ship too, if you are interested.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I love scallops!!! I do the banana thing too. Do you eat any kind of wheat?

I read in one of those Natural Health magazines a few months ago that Maine was one of the best states about eating local. ME, along with CA and NH, have great companies for cosmetics/personal care too.

Oh yeah, if you ever go visit your sistah in Maine, I can hook you up with great seafood sources. Scallops at 3.95 is insane.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I love scallops!!! I do the banana thing too. Do you eat any kind of wheat?

I read in one of those Natural Health magazines a few months ago that Maine was one of the best states about eating local. ME, along with CA and NH, have great companies for cosmetics/personal care too.

Maine and NH are like Colorado with rain. Two of the better places for food and people in the USA.