Worst Ride of the Day

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

I thought Leparoux on Asi Siempre was horrendous. I am shocked to say it, but she was the best filly/mare in that race.

I'll go with that one.Yesterday was not a great day for that guy.

[ninetoone]

He did have a decent ride in the Ack Ack, race 2...where he lost by a neck on a 20-1 shot, but aside from that one, I agree. I had that one to win too & didn't back it up

[cakes44]

Luzzi had one of his typical butcher rides on Pegasus Wind.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Luzzi had one of his typical butcher rides on Pegasus Wind.

What real chance did he have on that horse? Run him in the back like Teuflesberg and give him no chance? Try and get on top of the suicidal fractions set by the west coast horses? It was a pretty terrible spot to run that horse. He had no chance with any jockey on his back.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Luzzi had one of his typical butcher rides on Pegasus Wind.

Which jockey would have done better on that horse?

Blaming the jockey for the performance of Pegasus Wind is like blaming your waiter for the high prices in a restaurant.

Ridiculous and embarrassing.

[cakes44]

In no way am I blaming Luzzi for losing the race. Pegasus Wind wasn't going to win. The title of the thread is worst ride of the day, and going 3 wide and past the leaders on the backstretch instead of tucking behind them is a typical speed-crazy Luzzi ride that gave his horse no chance of even finishing in the money.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by cakes44

In no way am I blaming Luzzi for losing the race. Pegasus Wind wasn't going to win. The title of the thread is worst ride of the day, and going 3 wide and past the leaders on the backstretch instead of tucking behind them is a typical speed-crazy Luzzi ride that gave his horse no chance of even finishing in the money.

Fair enough.

Probably, however, riding to instructions.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Luzzi had one of his typical butcher rides on Pegasus Wind.

Lukas wanted him to go to the front.Well,on this day,if you get to the front from out there,how much horse are you going to have? Highly compromised post(especially anybody who wanted to show speed from out there.)There are an incredible amount of horses that are gunna win coming out of bad finishes in those races on Saturday. Do you think H Hughes,TM Bling,Bordonaro,Siren Lure,Scatdaddy etc.etc.etc. are really gunna run anything like they did Saturday? That was like running on the surface of Mars.When is the last time you saw the 2 logical favorites in a race break down without being part of a chain rxn. accident of some sort? 2 Tired horses with high odds ...maybe,but not the 2 best fillys on paper. You can chalk that up to poor track condition.I will never buy into their garbage that it was a coincidence.They are gunna sell that one hard,and most in the industry will get in line and sell it with them. Do you really think this "special horse" called Henny Hughes (who had come top 2 in all 9 previous races) is that picky about track condition? 3 steps out of the gate,and Velasquez knew they were in trouble? What the hell surface was that? Beulah?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Lukas wanted him to go to the front.Well,on this day,if you get to the front from out there,how much horse are you going to have? Highly compromised post(especially anybody who wanted to show speed from out there.)There are an incredible amount of horses that are gunna win coming out of bad finishes in those races on Saturday. Do you think H Hughes,TM Bling,Bordonaro,Siren Lure,Scatdaddy etc.etc.etc. are really gunna run anything like they did Saturday? That was like running on the surface of Mars.When is the last time you saw the 2 logical favorites in a race break down without being part of a chain rxn. accident of some sort? 2 Tired horses with high odds ...maybe,but not the 2 best fillys on paper. You can chalk that up to poor track condition.I will never buy into their garbage that it was a coincidence.They are gunna sell that one hard,and most in the industry will get in line and sell it with them. Do you really think this "special horse" called Henny Hughes (who had come top 2 in all 9 previous races) is that picky about track condition? 3 steps out of the gate,and Velasquez knew they were in trouble? What the hell surface was that? Beulah?

i only watched the replay once or twice, but my take on Henny was that his poor performance was based more on being in a step slow out of the gate and being in tight and getting bounced around. I'm not saying that he didn't care for the surface either, I really don't know. But I do know that 100 yards from the gate he was done for the day. He really was not able to get into stride or find a comfortable position to run in.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

i only watched the replay once or twice, but my take on Henny was that his poor performance was based more on being in a step slow out of the gate and being in tight and getting bounced around. I'm not saying that he didn't care for the surface either, I really don't know. But I do know that 100 yards from the gate he was done for the day. He really was not able to get into stride or find a comfortable position to run in.

His rider told you the problem.He didn't handle the surface(for the 1st time 1n 10 starts.)Now,you don't like that,and so you come up with another reason.Johnny said 3 steps out of the gate he knew it was not gunna happen for this horse.Not 100 yards.Not the middle of the backstretch.That's creative fiction.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

His rider told you the problem.He didn't handle the surface(for the 1st time 1n 10 starts.)Now,you don't like that,and so you come up with another reason.Johnny said 3 steps out of the gate he knew it was not gunna happen for this horse.Not 100 yards.Not the middle of the backstretch.That's creative fiction.

I don't base my opinions on which facts I like or dislike. I go by what I see with my eyes whether I like it or not. I saw him have a great deal of trouble after the break.

Henny was a single for me so I didn't like the end result, but I do not buy that it was mainly due to the surface.

As far as JV's comments, how in the hell can you know in three steps if the horse didn't handle the surface. I don't put much stock in jockey or trainer comments after a loss. How could the surface be so horrible that it had this huge impact on Henny in three steps, yet other horses went out of the gate unaffected?

This horse has so much speed I would have expected him to run with anybody on any type of track, for at least one or two quarters. If the track really wasn't to his liking I would have expected it to have a more subtle, slower effect, as in a slow fade to the rear out of a contending position.
I wouldn't expect it to virtually stop him right out of the gate.