2012 Triple Crown Trail: 11 try to deny I'll Have Another

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

they should stick to the trial, and then try the preakness if they want to attempt to run off with a loose lead and hold on for the finish. but they shouldn't try to take away what natural speed he's got. he won't have enough than to get out front alone early, and he sure won't be there late.

thanks for your long reply--good stuff, but I still dont' understand this part...why would this be any different than what they're doing now?? running in the derby trial then the preakness, it's the exact same thing.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

thanks for your long reply--good stuff, but I still dont' understand this part...why would this be any different than what they're doing now?? running in the derby trial then the preakness, it's the exact same thing.

because the derby trial is a slightly longer trip than what he's run so far. it also gives them more time to get more stamina into him since the preakness is four weeks out, while the derby is only two. also, it's a bit shorter than the derby. instead of having a longer race than what he's run, with more training time, they're bypassing the frying pan altogether and throwing him right into the fire.
for many horses, the derby is their first at 10f, but it's not typically their first time around two turns. of course that has to happen sooner or later, i just think in trinnibergs case it's ill-advised at this point.

and my last part that you quoted-his strong suit is his early speed, it's what the trainer mentioned as to why now he wanted to go in the derby, that he felt t'berg would be alone on the lead. but then he has him work a slow 5f. if the early turn of foot is his strong suit, why would he want to take that one edge away? it's a concern for sure.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Liaison IN - Martin Garcia named to ride - Baffert says he just hated SA surface... per Darren Rogers - Churchill Downs Comm Dept tweet

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Liaison IN - Martin Garcia named to ride - Baffert says he just hated SA surface... per Darren Rogers - Churchill Downs Comm Dept tweet

I bet he'll hate CD too.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I bet he'll hate CD too.

I laughed..



It is a little amusing that the decision seemed to be based on his 1.5 mile jog this morning...

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I laughed..



It is a little amusing that the decision seemed to be based on his 1.5 mile jog this morning...

Oh, I doubt the jog had anything to do with it all.

It was decided long ago.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I laughed..



It is a little amusing that the decision seemed to be based on his 1.5 mile jog this morning...

That must have been some jog.

[slotdirt]

So let me preface this by saying I know absolutely nothing about shockwave therapy, but for the folks who do, is this a normal occurrence for a sound horse? In reference to I'll Have Another, of course.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

So let me preface this by saying I know absolutely nothing about shockwave therapy, but for the folks who do, is this a normal occurrence for a sound horse? In reference to I'll Have Another, of course.

"Extracorporeal shock wave therapy (ESWT) has become an emerging new technology for treating musculoskeletal problems, soft-tissue injuries and bone injuries in horses. ESWT is non-invasive, used to stimulate healing to return horses to a level of fully sound, useful activity without recurrence of disease.

From outside the body (extracorporeal), the machine generates high-intensity shock or pressure waves, which pulse to a specific site within the injured tissue. Though its actual mode of action is still in dispute, it stimulates and accelerates the healing process, essentially combining an immediate analgesic effect with a reduction in inflammation, neovascularization in soft tissue and osteogenesis in bone. According to Dr. Scott McClure, DVM, Iowa State University, a leading researcher in the field, it can be used to treat various conditions, such as suspensory ligament desmitis, navicular disease, saucer fractures, bucked shins, bowed tendon, sesamoid fractures, stress fractures and vertebral spinal pain (kissing spine lesions)."


http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/dvm.../detail/162182

here's a pretty good summary of what shockwave is, and what it treats.



I just asked one of my bosses about using shockwave on sound race horses.. she said she overheard that it IS being used that way and she's going to try and find out some more information about why and how its used on sound horses. I'm wondering if its used to create better bone density. I'll let you know when I hear more from my boss.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

So let me preface this by saying I know absolutely nothing about shockwave therapy, but for the folks who do, is this a normal occurrence for a sound horse? In reference to I'll Have Another, of course.

I got another opinion on why you would use shockwave on sound race horses.. the answer was "blood flow"

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

So let me preface this by saying I know absolutely nothing about shockwave therapy, but for the folks who do, is this a normal occurrence for a sound horse? In reference to I'll Have Another, of course.

just read about his shockwave therapy on bloodhorse. apparently they treated his lumbar region, that he'd tied up after a work....

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I bet he'll hate CD too.

just saw the news that he's running. whatever.

[Indian Charlie]

I believe it's entirely possible he really did not like Santa Anita, as his races at HP were clearly better.

This begs the question, however, of whether or not he's going to be better on synth/turf than dirt.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Liaison IN - Martin Garcia named to ride - Baffert says he just hated SA surface... per Darren Rogers - Churchill Downs Comm Dept tweet

I like this horse... very happy to hear he's in.