"Fair Share"

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I was jesting a little bit...

I am surprised though - I always found the progressivity of the rate to be intellectually indefensible.

Nothing will be closer to fair than a proportional, single rate.

Some of those who disagree with that statement will complain about how much the rich "have left after paying taxes", and THAT motive would be socialistic. The minute it goes to "But the rich can AFFORD to pay more" - that's a symptom of a socialistic mindset.

i think the issue with the current system is all the loopholes. they need to reform the tax code, with more tax breaks to people who do actually create more jobs, who invest in new business. that type of stuff should be rewarded, rather than having some of the tax shelters that currently exist.

[Riot]

Socialism:

1 any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2 a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

3 a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Socialism:

1 any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2 a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

3 a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

Riot, I can accept those definitions for the end-state of imposed socialism.

But it follows that policies that move us in that direction can be called "socialistic". Think "slippery slope"...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Riot, I can accept those definitions for the end-state of imposed socialism.

But it follows that policies that move us in that direction can be called "socialistic". Think "slippery slope"...

You mean like government control of women's uteruses?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

You mean like government control of women's uteruses?

Yeah, I know Roe v. Wade sucks, but one Supreme Court crisis at a time, OK?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Yeah, I know Roe v. Wade sucks, but one Supreme Court crisis at a time, OK?

Not talking about Roe vs. Wade. Talking about government forced vaginal ultrasounds against a woman and her doctor's will, with the woman responsible for payment.

Seriously: what truly "socialistic" (oh, I used quotes! ) systems do we have in this democratic republic form of government?

The military. Wait, no, we also contract out alot of that to private people.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Not talking about Roe vs. Wade. Talking about government forced vaginal ultrasounds against a woman and her doctor's will, with the woman responsible for payment.

Seriously: what truly "socialistic" (oh, I used quotes! ) systems do we have in this democratic republic form of government?

The military. Wait, no, we also contract out alot of that to private people.

You left out if the baby would have any objection... that cannot be known.

The confiscation of wealth from someone who earned it for the purpose of giving it to someone else who didn't earn it is socialistic, and un-American.