Jones on HDG and weight

[Danzig]

if you want people to think you have the best horse, you campaign her like she's the best. they still have their panties in a wad because she lost to proud spell. they're more focused on that then the fact she got HOY, and don't want it to happen again-which is absurd.
she hasn't got a big stud deal to screw up.

my very first thought when i read the article was oh, don't be a pu***. if you're going to bitch and moan all year, just retire her and spare us the drama.

[blackthroatedwind]

The comments are so hilarious it makes it sound as though they don't believe she deserved Horse of the Year.

I just hope the Obeah is under allowance conditions.

[Indian Charlie]

Sigh.

It's such a burden having a reigning HOY.

You people have no idea.

[richard]

If you look at Dream Supreme's final two races you can make a case that her assigned weight was the reason she lost.

In the Ballerina(G1) she visibly tired in the stretch, giving 9 pounds to the winner Shine Again, and finishing 3rd, 2 L back.
http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbP...try=USA&race=9

Her final race, 2 months later in the First Flight(G2), saw her giving 5 pounds to winner Shine Again in a 2nd place finish by a head.
http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbP...try=USA&race=8

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by richard

If you look at Dream Supreme's final two races you can make a case that her assigned weight was the reason she lost.

In the Ballerina(G1) she visibly tired in the stretch, giving 9 pounds to the winner Shine Again, and finishing 3rd, 2 L back.
http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbP...try=USA&race=9

Her final race, 2 months later in the First Flight(G2), saw her giving 5 pounds to winner Shine Again in a 2nd place finish by a head.
http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbP...try=USA&race=8

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Sigh.

It's such a burden having a reigning HOY.

You people have no idea.

those damned voters. how dare they create such a mess?!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The comments are so hilarious it makes it sound as though they don't believe she deserved Horse of the Year.

I just hope the Obeah is under allowance conditions.

they are hilarious. obviously they're fishing for low weights.

the sad part-it'll work. then if she has another good year, they'll turn around and politic for a repeat as HOY without having earned it.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if you want people to think you have the best horse, you campaign her like she's the best. they still have their panties in a wad because she lost to proud spell. they're more focused on that then the fact she got HOY, and don't want it to happen again-which is absurd.
she hasn't got a big stud deal to screw up.

my very first thought when i read the article was oh, don't be a pu***. if you're going to bitch and moan all year, just retire her and spare us the drama.

Campaigning the "best" like the best went out the window a few years ago...oh nevermind, don't want to rehash that old argument. Fans want to see champions run, but a 10 race campaign like Cigar ran less than 20 years ago is no longer the way the game is played.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

Campaigning the "best" like the best went out the window a few years ago...oh nevermind, don't want to rehash that old argument. Fans want to see champions run, but a 10 race campaign like Cigar ran less than 20 years ago is no longer the way the game is played.

yeah, i know it. it just blows my mind that they're still sore over HDG losing to proud spell-yeah, that one pound made all the difference. it's just a shame.
we need more owners like martha gerry, who owned forego. ah, wouldn't that be so nice?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, i know it. it just blows my mind that they're still sore over HDG losing to proud spell-yeah, that one pound made all the difference. it's just a shame.
we need more owners like martha gerry, who owned forego. ah, wouldn't that be so nice?

Blind Luck?

We need more horses like her.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Blind Luck?

We need more horses like her.

yeah, her too! i thought it was the wrong name, but didn't feel like checking.

[Merlinsky]

I came here to whine about this situation, but looks like y'all got this started all on it without me. I don't like veiled threats. Heck they're not that veiled. It'd serve them right to get what she deserves to carry. That begs the question, what should that be? And what should Plum Pretty get?

[Cannon Shell]

How ironic of them saying they will only run if the weights are "fair" which actually means they will only run if the weights are unfair to the competition.

Now trainers have always complained about weights but rarely has anyone made statements like these with a horse as accomplished as this. They just wont run her and will wait for another handicap race in May? What if those weights dont suit her either? Just train up to the Breeders Cup? It is an embarrassment and more proof that racing at the top end is a shell of itself. Porter and Jones want the tracks to bend over backwards to give them an unfair advantage yet when the end of the year rolls around will be praising their horse like she is one of the all time greats.

The grading system does more harm to racing than anything. Jones acting as though every grade 1 race/winner should be treated equally is stupid.

[RolloTomasi]

I like in the article how Bob Baffert got Jones all riled up by saying that Plum Pretty will get 10lbs from Havre De Grace in the Apple Blossom.

Jones then goes on to say that the next option, the Ogden Phipps (also a handicap), will be some race with Awesome Maria and Awesome Feather also pointing for it.

Does he think that he won't be giving weight to those two horses (neither with more than 2 Grade 1 wins)?

BTW is probably correct with the Obeah being the next start. The Molly Pitcher will probably be the follow-up.

[Gate Dancer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The grading system does more harm to racing than anything. Jones acting as though every grade 1 race/winner should be treated equally is stupid.

Nail on the head with this comment!! Amen.

[Left Bank]

Has Bobby Frankel been reincarnated????