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Oh now I feel sorry for him. He had the option to not report. Instead he settled and even stayed longer than required. Had full control of who he could add to the roster.

Come on.

[Dahoss]

Give me someone selfish who doesn't disappear in the finals over the other side every single day.

I get it, people don't "like" Kobe, because he doesn't exactly come across as a likable guy. Who cares? It's not a popularity contest.

I despise the word hater, but Kobe has a lot of them.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Give me someone selfish who doesn't disappear in the finals over the other side every single day.

I get it, people don't "like" Kobe, because he doesn't exactly come across as a likable guy. Who cares? It's not a popularity contest.

I despise the word hater, but Kobe has a lot of them.

Kobe's number of haters is miniscule compared to James. The entire idea of measuring individual players in a team sport by championships is a slippery slope considering the number of other factors other than 1 players performance.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Oh now I feel sorry for him. He had the option to not report. Instead he settled and even stayed longer than required. Had full control of who he could add to the roster.

Come on.

Facts are facts. You are comparing the "championship" record of two guys that went into situations where they were surrounded by hall of fame players, all stars and solid NBA players to a guy who was drafted by the Cleveland Cavs led by Ricky Davis. Say what you want about the individuals but the idea that not winning championships with those Cleveland teams as a sign of failure by James is misguided.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Facts are facts. You are comparing the "championship" record of two guys that went into situations where they were surrounded by hall of fame players, all stars and solid NBA players to a guy who was drafted by the Cleveland Cavs led by Ricky Davis. Say what you want about the individuals but the idea that not winning championships with those Cleveland teams as a sign of failure by James is misguided.

Yes and Bird and Magic didn't win championships after their 10th season in the league. Sure age plays a factor but the amount of time in the league is far more important.

Yes facts are facts. Kareem had a long drought on championships until Magic came along.

I get it. Championships don't mean much on an individual historical level now that the media darling is gracing us with his talents.

The whole point was LeBron shouldn't be mentioned with Johnson, Bird and Jordan. The only reason why Kobe gets a pass is because he has 5 rings. I think we all know he's not on their level. But LeBron isn't close.

[horseofcourse]

I am fairly knowlegeable on Cleveland sports and the simple facts are the 7 years LeBron played with the team are by far the 7 best successive years the franchise ever had, period, end of story. 4 50 plus win seasons, 2 60 plus win seasons, 6 winning seasons in 7 years, 5 straight playoff appearances, one finals appearance, 2 conference final appearances. What Cannon says is 100 percent correct. Self entitled douche behavior there, perhaps, yeah. The best players he played with in Cleveland were Larry Hughes, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Drew Gooden, and Mo Williams, and Delonte West. That ain't murderers row there. For the team to make two conference finals and one NBA finals was pretty darn good. Other than his massive ego which pretty much all superior athletes have, and his silly way he left the city, he ain't a terrible guy for the most part. Time will tell with the championships as he now has legit teammates and there are zero excuses at all. Skill wise, he matches up with anyone who's ever played the game. Jordan, Magic, Bird included. I'm not saying he's better than any of them or Kobe. I would say skill wise, he has more than Kobe. He can pass better than Jordan ever could, he's a gazillion times more athlletic than Magic or Bird. I'll give him 5 more years to see where he rates overall but I think the chance is there he can join those 3 or 4 mentioned.

[RockHardTen1985]

Lebron>Kobe all day.

It's official. The deadline to change your opinion is Monday

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Lebron>Kobe all day.

KD>Lebron.

Also look at the number of games played in a season and compare. LeBron is putting on mileage.

Like I said he has a 4 year window. Durant's not a b.itch. Good luck.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

KD>Lebron.

and then there are games like night's where Durant scores 30 and yet there is no doubt who the best player on the floor was.