Holder-u.s. can kill its own

[DaTruth]

I'm also waiting on an explanation for why it was okay for the United States to kill another U.S. citizen in Yemen, al Awaki's 16 year old son.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

I'm also waiting on an explanation for why it was okay for the United States to kill another U.S. citizen in Yemen, al Awaki's 16 year old son.

i have no doubt that holder could come up with an explanation for that.

this is yet another example of how the current admin. is no better than the previous. we heard from the opposition how bush was leading us down a bad path-but what is this? worse. a member of our presidents administration is attempting to weaken the constitution, in this case to kill the united states' own. who would have thought it would come to this?
wonder why the name robespierre suddenly came to mind? you know, that guy was against the death penalty in the days before the terror. look where that got a lot of france's citizens.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

this is yet another example of how the current admin. is no better than the previous. we heard from the opposition how bush was leading us down a bad path-but what is this? worse. a member of our presidents administration is attempting to weaken the constitution, in this case to kill the united states' own.

The enabling legislation you are referring to was passed during Bush as a result of 9-11. It is no "attempt to weaken", it is continuing what already exists due to Bush. It "came to this" 10 years ago. The silence at that time was deafening - actually, it was purposely tamped down - as any objection was "anti-American in a time of war". And yes, the current administration continuing it is wrong.

[Danzig]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/op...=1&ref=opinion


so, obama is the first president to order the killing of a u.s. citizen without due process. he also signed into law a few months back (although with reservations, so i guess it's ok) that allows indefinite detention of u.s. citizens.

chilling actions in both cases. congress should be ashamed they passed that rotten bill a few months back, and the current president should be taken to task for signing the thing.
i'm amazed the lack of outrage in the media about these two moves-but there's been more than ample attention to ol' rush, mitt's dog and santorums idiocy.

not only has obama continued the horrible patriot act that he promised to fix-but of course has not-but he's moved us even further down that road. it's a disgrace.

[Danzig]

http://loyalopposition.blogs.nytimes...g/?ref=opinion

March 12, 2012, 1:42 pm
Targeted Killing
By ANDREW ROSENTHAL


In my post last week about Attorney General Eric Holder’s recent national security speech, I focused on the good news, and promised I’d come back to the parts that I found disturbing. This enraged several readers, who more or less accused me of selling out the Constitution to assist the Democratic president, and apparently didn’t believe I’d come back to the topic in due time.

Those readers will be glad to learn that, on Sunday, we ran an editorial that accentuated the negative.

Under the headline “The Power to Kill,” we said that Mr. Holder failed to justify the administration’s decision to kill Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen who was living in Yemen at the time of his death.



and at the end:

The bottom line is that the president must receive some kind of judicial input before ordering the death of an American citizen. Even if that happens in secret, the American people should know that someone who doesn’t work for the president looked it over and weighed the evidence.

The Obama administration is saying, “trust us, we’ll handle this responsibly.” But in a nation of laws, that’s not how things are supposed to work.

Mr. Bush authorized the torture of prisoners and the kidnapping of civilians in the “extraordinary rendition” program, and much more. Mr. Obama is much better in some important ways, but he has continued a culture of excessive secrecy, failed to keep his promise to close Guantanamo Bay, and now he’s refusing even to let the world see the legal thinking behind the targeted-killing program.

I got fed up with the “trust me” approach a long time ago.

[Danzig]

over a thousand views on the rush thread. barely over a hundred on this.

what is wrong, everyone? why isn't everyone up in arms about this? because it was' just a terrorist'? because it's not you? what if it is you? i bet you'd care then. you trust your govt. to get a targeted killing right? for starters, why don't you ask the guy who got blamed for the atlanta olympic bombing about that? at least he didn't get killed. fat lot of good an apology would have done if he had been. we see all the time about people who get out of jail because they were innocent all along. at least they get out, they have a life. can't do anything tho if you're dead, can you?

what about the law recently signed by obama that allows indefinite detention? why no talk on that? it's amazing, and disheartening.

[Danzig]

https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocac...tion&id=4139&s


fill out the info and send to your congressmen, asking him/her to fix the ndaa! and no, i'm not a member...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what is wrong, everyone? why isn't everyone up in arms about this?

Geesh - who said nobody is up in arms over this? There's probably just no debate on this thread because everyone agrees. You don't know what people are writing Congressmen, etc. I have, if it makes you feel better.

Originally Posted by Danzig

over a thousand views on the rush thread. barely over a hundred on this.

Because this is real sh.it. It's not trivial, childlike horse s.hit like fake unemployment numbers and racist southerners.