conservatives vs women

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Originally Posted by Danzig

so.....
today the virginia ledge passed a bill requiring women to get an ultrasound before getting an abortion. at least they changed from the invasive one they'd originally written. yeah, some progress. the rep gov expected to sign it into law.


and washington state.....judge just ruled that pharmacists can refuse to dispense certain drugs if they violate their religious beliefs. oh, that's wonderful. so, go to the counter and some guy doesn't do his job because of his personal opinion, so now he can refuse YOU because of HIS opinions. fantfreakingtastic!! look, if people have beliefs and opinions, great-but why are they allowed to affect someone else and someone else's life because of something they believe? so, if i worked at mcdonalds, and i told some fatass they didn't need a big mac, do you think i'd get fired? i bet i would. but if it's a religious belief, it would be quite all right.
what bs.

For some, "religious freedom" means they get to push their religion on others. They forget that others are also entitled to freedom from their religion being shoved down their maws.

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It's a start ... the ultrasound bill is still around, unfortunately.

Huzzah! Virginia puts 'personhood' bill on hold until next year

In a stunning turn of events, the Virginia Senate has voted 24-14 to scuttle a bill that would have given fertilized eggs the same legal rights as people.

Sen. Richard L. Saslaw, D-Fairfax, proposed that House Bill 1, which had passed the Senate Education and Health Committee earlier today on an 8-7 party line vote, be sent back to the committee and carried over to the 2013 legislative session for further discussion and deliberation. [...]

The vote effectively kills the bill for the year.

The bill, HB 1, stated that life begins at conception and that fertilized eggs have all the rights and privileges of a person, which could effectively have banned abortion and some forms of contraception. In committee, the bill passed on 8-7 on strict party-line vote on the Republican-controlled committee. But when it got to the Senate floor, the vote was 24-14 to take it off the docket until next year.

"We are a laughingstock of the world because of things like this," said Sen. Mamie E. Locke, D-Hampton, who opposed the bill. "The individual rights of women are being challenged continuously," she said, calling the issue of a woman's pregnancy a matter between "them, their family and their doctor and their God."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...ear?via=blog_1

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Originally Posted by Riot

It's a start ... the ultrasound bill is still around, unfortunately.

One ultrasound bill spiked, but its twin poised to pass.

http://hamptonroads.com/2012/02/one-...in-poised-pass

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I can't believe it's 2012, and women are struggling anew to keep their rights against the wishes of idiotic old white men.

Geeshus cripes.

And Santorum today, his rant about religion and government? He's nothing but a Mullah. What a theocratic, dangerous religious loon.

The rest of the world is laughing at us. No wonder we can't drag this country into the 21st century with the rest of the first world, we have too many people in our own country trying to drag us back to the 1700's.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

I can't believe it's 2012, and women are struggling anew to keep their rights against the wishes of idiotic old white men.

Geeshus cripes.

And Santorum today, his rant about religion and government? He's nothing but a Mullah. What a theocratic, dangerous religious loon.

The rest of the world is laughing at us. No wonder we can't drag this country into the 21st century with the rest of the first world, we have too many people in our own country trying to drag us back to the 1700's.

Took a poke at JFK's separation of church and state, said it was a crackpot statement...

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The only trouble is, Santorum isn't a very good Catholic. The Catholic church believes in helping the poor, and healthcare for everyone.

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I want a Chief Executive whose public acts are responsible to all groups and obligated to none--who can attend any ceremony, service or dinner his office may appropriately require of him--and whose fulfillment of his Presidential oath is not limited or conditioned by any religious oath, ritual or obligation.

This is the kind of America I believe in--and this is the kind I fought for in the South Pacific, and the kind my brother died for in Europe. No one suggested then that we may have a "divided loyalty," that we did "not believe in liberty," or that we belonged to a disloyal group that threatened the "freedoms for which our forefathers died."

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Whatever issue may come before me as President--on birth control, divorce, censorship, gambling or any other subject--I will make my decision in accordance with these views, in accordance with what my conscience tells me to be the national interest, and without regard to outside religious pressures or dictates. And no power or threat of punishment could cause me to decide otherwise.

- Democratic Presidential candidate John Fitzgerald Kennedy

"To say that people of faith have no role in the public square? You bet that makes me want to throw up. What kind of country do we live in where only people of non-faith can come in the public square and make their case? That makes me throw up. And that should make every American [throw up]."

"I don't believe in an America where the separation between church and state is absolute," he said.

- leading Republican Presidential candidate Rick Santorum

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Originally Posted by bigrun

Took a poke at JFK's separation of church and state, said it was a crackpot statement.

"I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials; and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.
For while this year it may be a Catholic against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it has been, and may someday be again, a Jew— or a Quaker or a Unitarian or a Baptist. It was Virginia’s harassment of Baptist preachers, for example, that helped lead to Jefferson’s statute of religious freedom. Today I may be the victim, but tomorrow it may be you — until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped at a time of great national peril."- JFK

Ah, Santorum- offended, as always, by religious liberty.

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Santorum also said he does not believe in an America where the separation of church and state is "absolute."

"I don't believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute. The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country," said Santorum. "This is the First Amendment. The First Amendment says the free exercise of religion. That means bringing everybody, people of faith and no faith, into the public square.

so...what church is 'the church'???


and yes, rick, there should be no involvement in the operation of the state. i'd hate to see how the state would be should old rick get his wish and impose the views of his church on the state. thank goodness there is separation between the two!!

so glad this bozo has no shot.

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well, well, well...had to know that sooner or later, that old misogynist hater rush would have to visit the thread. missed the story from yesterday; happened to catch the tail end of a news segment about his new comments from today while on a treadmill at the gym.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...ine-sex-videos


well, gals out there. how does it feel to know that if you use contraception and feel it should be paid for by your insurance just like they pay for all other prescrip meds, that rush thinks you're a slut? a prostitute? hell, he already calls women femiNAZIS so i guess i can't be too surprised.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/02/op...=1&ref=opinion


The Unfinished Fight Over Contraception
By LOUISE G. TRUBEK
Published: March 1, 2012

CAN we still be arguing about a woman’s ability to control her own fertility? Almost 50 years ago in Griswold v. Connecticut, the Supreme Court struck down state restrictions on contraception because they violated a right to privacy. But the issue has not gone away. Rick Santorum injected it into the presidential race by indicating that Griswold should be overturned so that states could ban contraception altogether. And the Senate just voted down a Republican effort to allow employers and health insurance companies to refuse coverage for contraceptives if they had moral or religious objections.



i cannot believe that we are talking about this; that a presidential candidate actually thinks contraception should be outlawed. where did this come from?? why are we moving backwards? this is outrageous and unbelievable.
it seems imo that the less popular republicans become, the further the few that are left move to the right. which in turn leads to even less popularity! rick santorum is a loony. a LOONY.

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looks like a trifecta today, just read this one:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blog...-abc-news.html


just another reason for me to know i did the right thing in walking away from this church years ago.