Stumbled across July 16, 1992 edition of NY Post

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

How is this a problem?

Can one desire too much of a good thing?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

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[Linny]

I don't think that turf sprints were the intended point of the thread. Where have all the 2yo's and the straight maidens and the allowance runners gone. I will search for a couple of mid summer programs from last summer for comparison.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Linny

I don't think that turf sprints were the intended point of the thread. Where have all the 2yo's and the straight maidens and the allowance runners gone. I will search for a couple of mid summer programs from last summer for comparison.

In terms of tracks, it's Churchill, Monmouth, Delaware. With today's mega-outfits, it's hard to get allowance races to fill when the eligible horses are in the hands of only a few trainers rather than spread around the backstretch.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

In terms of tracks, it's Churchill, Monmouth, Delaware. With today's mega-outfits, it's hard to get allowance races to fill when the eligible horses are in the hands of only a few trainers rather than spread around the backstretch.

True but also there is the attitude that running young horses somehow harms them. There are lots of horses today that are lightly raced that still wind up injured and on the sidelines.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Linny

I don't think that turf sprints were the intended point of the thread. Where have all the 2yo's and the straight maidens and the allowance runners gone. I will search for a couple of mid summer programs from last summer for comparison.

Correct. For some reason over the last 20 years it has become taboo to run two year olds "early" and allowance runners arent supposed to run less than every 5 weeks.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Correct. For some reason over the last 20 years it has become taboo to run two year olds "early" and allowance runners arent supposed to run less than every 5 weeks.

exactly. It should be, IMO, every 14-21 days for horses that are healthy.

EVERYONE IS SCARED TO RACE THEIR HORSES INTO SHAPE! bunch of wimps. "oh no, I can't possibly loooooooose a race!"

[Linny]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Correct. For some reason over the last 20 years it has become taboo to run two year olds "early" and allowance runners arent supposed to run less than every 5 weeks.

NY has ceded the 2yo division to Kentucky. They run 2yo's 3 or 4 times a week in spring at Keeneland and Churchill. In the fall they run babies with overflow fields daily and feature 2 days of all 2yo cards.

As for the allowance horses, they've all gone to ground. The sheets guys have convinced everyone that they'll just drop dead if they race on less than 45 days rest.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Linny

NY has ceded the 2yo division to Kentucky. They run 2yo's 3 or 4 times a week in spring at Keeneland and Churchill. In the fall they run babies with overflow fields daily and feature 2 days of all 2yo cards.

As for the allowance horses, they've all gone to ground. The sheets guys have convinced everyone that they'll just drop dead if they race on less than 45 days rest.

Keeneland isnt the same as it was. When I first started training in KY (1999)you needed to enter for a star in the 2 yo MSW's to ensure you would get in a race later in the meet. You only get stars if the race fills. That is no longer a problem as most go with less than full fields. I guess the attitude about running 2 yo's and the fact that Ward and Asmussen seemingly win every 2 yo race at Keeneland has discouraged many.

[Linny]

Fields aren't as full but they card plenty and enough of them are looking for schooling and are willing to let WW and SA beat them first out. In NY you are lucky is you get anything but statebreds before late June. If some of the bigger outfits in KY are so bothered that WW and SA are winning all the 2yo races they should decamp en masse to NY and inform Mr Campo of their interest.

Thanks for your honesty about the sheets, Cannon. I love it when trainers say "Oh, they just don't card races for my allowance horses..." when they know that the racing secretary will only write allowance races when Todd or Shug or Kieran need them. The only exception is when Todd has 3 horses in the same condition, you might get two of them inside a 10 day span. Oh, and if it's slated for Friday but Todd would rather run on Sunday, it's going to be moved and the racing office doesn't care about your shoeing snafu or the fact that everyone else trained for a race on FRIDAY. It's alot easier to train horses when you get to write the condition book too.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Can one desire too much of a good thing?

To have turf sprints or not to have turf sprints, that is the question?