Over 1 Million signatures obtained to recall WI Gov. Scott Walker

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Can you address my comments on GM please? Last I checked Governor Walker didn't invest any of the tax payers money in buying companies or stock in companies, yet Obama did.

Your comments on GM, the presumption that the only difference is scale, are a broadly superficial and ridiculous comparison to Walker enacting the ALEC agenda via ownership by the Koch Brothers et. al, unless you readily prove that the only reason GM got government money was political union payoff to the President of the United States. Considering that the unions gave massive concessions in pay, pensions and healthcare, and more non-union people than union benefited in the retention of the industry and associated manufacturing jobs, that will be a stretch. Unfortunately for you, your personal dislike of unions and Obama doesn't count as "proof". Especially as Bush's bailout was given with zero payback and conditions, but Obama's was not? But that does create the conspiracy theory in your mind that conflates the two as equal. I call that argument superficial, shallow, assumptive. You're free to hold the opinion. I do not. Call that what you will. However, I am willing to be convinced. Draw me a nice, clear picture of the factual details, and I'll be happy to change my mind to your point of view if your argument is strong enough. Go ahead.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Your comments on GM, the presumption that the only difference is scale, are a broadly superficial and ridiculous comparison to Walker enacting the ALEC agenda via ownership by the Koch Brothers et. al, unless you readily prove that the only reason GM got government money was political union payoff to the President of the United States. Considering that the unions gave massive concessions in pay, pensions and healthcare, and more non-union people than union benefited in the retention of the industry and associated manufacturing jobs, that will be a stretch. Unfortunately for you, your personal dislike of unions and Obama doesn't count as "proof".

Can you name one company that Walker has given tax payer $? It would earn you extra credit if that company has also donated $ to Walker's campaign.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Can you name one company that Walker has given tax payer $?

Why would I? I've never made that contention about Walker.

It seems you are confusing your sureity that Obama bailed out GM only because he's owned by the Unions, with Walker passing ALEC-inspired legislation. You've taken your unproven assumption about Obama, and want me to use your illogical argument to disprove something entirely different, a claim I've not made, but you are?

You are saying that GM was bailed out only because the President was owned by unions. Convince us, before you demand that others take that assumption as inherently true and use it as a proof for their own argument (which is crazy, btw)

Walker passed the ALEC- and RGA- recommended union busting legislation in the face of 100% agreement to his requested cuts and concessions by those very same unions, falsely claiming he needed to union bust to get the cuts, thus doing something he never campaigned upon, and in the face of massive counter-demonstration by his citizens and half his legislature. And now he, his lt. gov, and 4 GOP senators face recall for it. They are getting unlimited (legal) campaign donations from out of state from big private donors, and very little from his own citizens. Far more than what his opposition has currently received.

And no, that is not the same contention as "but Obama bailed out GM because he was owned by unions".

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Why would I? I've never made that contention about Walker.

It seems you are confusing your sureity that Obama bailed out GM only because he's owned by the Unions, with Walker passing ALEC-inspired legislation.

Why did Obama invest tax payer money in companies like Solyndra, Ener1, etc even though prior administrations had reviewed them and decided it wasn't a good risk? Did any of those companies invest companies invest campaign $ in Obama? How did those investments work out? Yet it is Walker who is in the pockets of businesses

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Why did Obama invest tax payer money in companies like Solyndra, Ener1, etc even though prior administrations had reviewed them and decided it wasn't a good risk? Did any of those companies invest companies invest campaign $ in Obama? How did those investments work out? Yet it is Walker who is in the pockets of businesses

What does Obama have to do with Walker, other than as a vehicle for you desperately trying to change the focus away from Walker? The subject is Walker. Not Obama.

As I added to the other post: Walker passed the ALEC- and RGA- 2010 recommended union busting legislation in the face of 100% agreement to his requested cuts and concessions by those very same unions, falsely claiming he needed to union bust to get the cuts, thus doing something he never campaigned upon, and in the face of massive counter-demonstration by his citizens and half his legislature. And now he, his lt. gov, and 4 GOP senators face recall for it. They are getting unlimited (legal) campaign donations from out of state from big private donors, and very little from his own citizens. Far more than what his opposition has currently received.

You say Walker doing the above is the same as Obama bailing out the auto industry. Then you demand I disprove your unproven allegation against Obama, in order to prove Walker isn't doing something entirely different, which is the above?

Uh ... no.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

What does Obama have to do with Walker, other than as a vehicle for you desperately trying to change the focus away from Walker? The subject is Walker. Not Obama.

As I added to the other post: Walker passed the ALEC- and RGA- 2010 recommended union busting legislation in the face of 100% agreement to his requested cuts and concessions by those very same unions, falsely claiming he needed to union bust to get the cuts, thus doing something he never campaigned upon, and in the face of massive counter-demonstration by his citizens and half his legislature. And now he, his lt. gov, and 4 GOP senators face recall for it. They are getting unlimited (legal) campaign donations from out of state from big private donors, and very little from his own citizens. Far more than what his opposition has currently received.

You said that you want corporate owning out of our politicians. I am just showing you that you only believe this when it is convenient for your arguement. All I was doing was showing you that this is happening with Obama to a much larger degree, but you choose to ignore that fact.

I can't wait until Walker Wins Again!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

You said that you want corporate owning out of our politicians. I am just showing you that you only believe this when it is convenient for your arguement.

No, you didn't "show" anything. You only made an allegation. Go ahead, prove your allegation, that Obama only made the GM bailout as he was owned by unions. Go ahead. Make your argument that is true. If it's good enough, I'll be quite willing to change my mind and agree with you.

But, rather than try and change the subject to Obama, you'd probably do better to instead show what is factually wrong about this statement I made about Walker. Because this discussion is about Walker. Not Obama.

As I added to the other post: Walker passed the ALEC- and RGA- 2010 recommended union busting legislation in the face of 100% agreement to his requested cuts and concessions by those very same unions, falsely claiming he needed to union bust to get the cuts, thus doing something he never campaigned upon, and in the face of massive counter-demonstration by his citizens and half his legislature. And now he, his lt. gov, and 4 GOP senators face recall for it. They are getting unlimited (legal) campaign donations from out of state from big private donors, and very little from his own citizens. Far more than what his opposition has currently received.