Over 1 Million signatures obtained to recall WI Gov. Scott Walker

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Who cares?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Can you address my comments on GM please? Last I checked Governor Walker didn't invest any of the tax payers money in buying companies or stock in companies, yet Obama did. You support Obama, yet feel that Walker is in the pockets of the Koch's. Actions speak much louder than words. If you believe that there is no place in corporate owning of our politicians you would not support Obama.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Can you address my comments on GM please? Last I checked Governor Walker didn't invest any of the tax payers money in buying companies or stock in companies, yet Obama did. You support Obama, yet feel that Walker is in the pockets of the Koch's. Actions speak much louder than words. If you believe that there is no place in corporate owning of our politicians you would not support Obama.

She thinks the loss taken on GM was somehow a success. Just sayin

[nebrady]

Just the other day a poll showed that 50% approve of walkers performance. Also it is ridiculous to have these idiots shout out during his state address the other night. No need to protest you got your recall votes go home! These protesters still bitter about there choo choo train going up in smoke. I guess it doesn't matter to them that the majority of the state approves of walker. Keep it up walker ignore all the bitter losers the majority agrees with you!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

She thinks the loss taken on GM was somehow a success. Just sayin

Yeah, Dell. The saving of the auto industry, and over 100,000 associated jobs in that and ancillary manufacturing and supply industries in Michigan and nearby states, was a success by any measure. Especially as the vast majority of the loans are paid back, very little was written off, and the cold, hard financial assessment of that small loss versus keeping hundreds of thousands employed, and returning American auto manufacturing to the number one car purchased in the world, is a pretty straight ledger book black win for your fellow citizens.

You think that sucks You are also against healthcare for sick people, and religious freedom. So it goes.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Can you address my comments on GM please? Last I checked Governor Walker didn't invest any of the tax payers money in buying companies or stock in companies, yet Obama did.

Your comments on GM, the presumption that the only difference is scale, are a broadly superficial and ridiculous comparison to Walker enacting the ALEC agenda via ownership by the Koch Brothers et. al, unless you readily prove that the only reason GM got government money was political union payoff to the President of the United States. Considering that the unions gave massive concessions in pay, pensions and healthcare, and more non-union people than union benefited in the retention of the industry and associated manufacturing jobs, that will be a stretch. Unfortunately for you, your personal dislike of unions and Obama doesn't count as "proof". Especially as Bush's bailout was given with zero payback and conditions, but Obama's was not? But that does create the conspiracy theory in your mind that conflates the two as equal. I call that argument superficial, shallow, assumptive. You're free to hold the opinion. I do not. Call that what you will. However, I am willing to be convinced. Draw me a nice, clear picture of the factual details, and I'll be happy to change my mind to your point of view if your argument is strong enough. Go ahead.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Your comments on GM, the presumption that the only difference is scale, are a broadly superficial and ridiculous comparison to Walker enacting the ALEC agenda via ownership by the Koch Brothers et. al, unless you readily prove that the only reason GM got government money was political union payoff to the President of the United States. Considering that the unions gave massive concessions in pay, pensions and healthcare, and more non-union people than union benefited in the retention of the industry and associated manufacturing jobs, that will be a stretch. Unfortunately for you, your personal dislike of unions and Obama doesn't count as "proof".

Can you name one company that Walker has given tax payer $? It would earn you extra credit if that company has also donated $ to Walker's campaign.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Can you name one company that Walker has given tax payer $?

Why would I? I've never made that contention about Walker.

It seems you are confusing your sureity that Obama bailed out GM only because he's owned by the Unions, with Walker passing ALEC-inspired legislation. You've taken your unproven assumption about Obama, and want me to use your illogical argument to disprove something entirely different, a claim I've not made, but you are?

You are saying that GM was bailed out only because the President was owned by unions. Convince us, before you demand that others take that assumption as inherently true and use it as a proof for their own argument (which is crazy, btw)

Walker passed the ALEC- and RGA- recommended union busting legislation in the face of 100% agreement to his requested cuts and concessions by those very same unions, falsely claiming he needed to union bust to get the cuts, thus doing something he never campaigned upon, and in the face of massive counter-demonstration by his citizens and half his legislature. And now he, his lt. gov, and 4 GOP senators face recall for it. They are getting unlimited (legal) campaign donations from out of state from big private donors, and very little from his own citizens. Far more than what his opposition has currently received.

And no, that is not the same contention as "but Obama bailed out GM because he was owned by unions".

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Why would I? I've never made that contention about Walker.

It seems you are confusing your sureity that Obama bailed out GM only because he's owned by the Unions, with Walker passing ALEC-inspired legislation.

Why did Obama invest tax payer money in companies like Solyndra, Ener1, etc even though prior administrations had reviewed them and decided it wasn't a good risk? Did any of those companies invest companies invest campaign $ in Obama? How did those investments work out? Yet it is Walker who is in the pockets of businesses

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Why did Obama invest tax payer money in companies like Solyndra, Ener1, etc even though prior administrations had reviewed them and decided it wasn't a good risk? Did any of those companies invest companies invest campaign $ in Obama? How did those investments work out? Yet it is Walker who is in the pockets of businesses

What does Obama have to do with Walker, other than as a vehicle for you desperately trying to change the focus away from Walker? The subject is Walker. Not Obama.

As I added to the other post: Walker passed the ALEC- and RGA- 2010 recommended union busting legislation in the face of 100% agreement to his requested cuts and concessions by those very same unions, falsely claiming he needed to union bust to get the cuts, thus doing something he never campaigned upon, and in the face of massive counter-demonstration by his citizens and half his legislature. And now he, his lt. gov, and 4 GOP senators face recall for it. They are getting unlimited (legal) campaign donations from out of state from big private donors, and very little from his own citizens. Far more than what his opposition has currently received.

You say Walker doing the above is the same as Obama bailing out the auto industry. Then you demand I disprove your unproven allegation against Obama, in order to prove Walker isn't doing something entirely different, which is the above?

Uh ... no.