Point Given

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

As if it matters now, he's two absolutely atrocious rides from Ramon away from being the all-time money winner.

Had he got a perfect trip in that $10 million purse race -- how do you know he would have passed that Gloria De Campeo horse that won? He hangs.

Gloria De Campeo was 2nd by like 12 lengths to Well Armed the prior year... on good old dirt.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Had he got a perfect trip in that $10 million purse race -- how do you know he would have passed that Gloria De Campeo horse that won? He hangs.

Gloria De Campeo was 2nd by like 12 lengths to Well Armed the prior year... on good old dirt.

Poorly judged pace in 2010 and worse, in 2011...when the winning move is being made outside of Ramon down the backside and he is strangling his horse back off a 53.4 half mile.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

Poorly judged pace in 2010 and worse, in 2011...when the winning move is being made outside of Ramon down the backside and he is strangling his horse back off a 53.4 half mile.

I think the strangle hold is a product of Ramon doubting he can get 10f. Feeling he has to time that move just right.

[Alabama Stakes]

point given would have won the triple crown if not for Gary Stevens rushing him up into that blistering pace. he drowned most fields he faced and looked like he wasn't even trying while doing it.