D. Wayne Lukas in graded stakes

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Am I an idiot for thinking Force Freeze has a big shot here?

Why can't he win? He's run two straight good races.

[PatCummings]

I think Force Freeze is very live. Spoke to his old trainer Doug Watson, and he said the following:

"He struggled mightily with the all weather! I know he won and had some good runs on it, but he always came back sore. It was a body soreness and it was hard to pin down where he was sore. He also bled pretty badly in some last season except for the Jebel Ali Sprint, where he scoped completely clean."

Bottom line - he needed Lasix and dirt.

[pweizer]

I think they may all be running for second. I just don't see anyone catching Euroears.

Paul

[blackthroatedwind]

I know the CA clockers are all agog over Euroears, but I don't like him at all. Take a careful look at his Vosburgh. He wasn't keeping up before he was eliminated. Perhaps it was the mud, but I'm dubious.

[PatCummings]

Ran into a few clockers at CD today who said there is little doubt that horses simply run over top of the surface at SA, it's just rock solid, whereas the CD strip (at least right now) is much deeper and forces the horse to get into the dirt while running...and they seem to think this could make a difference for west-coast prepared horses in the BC. ("make a difference" = not run as well as their west coast form or preps indicate)

I don't really know what to think, just sharing.

[Gaelic Storm]

I think Apriority may be sitting on a big race. His form is dirtied, he has races fast enough to win, and he will be a good price.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Why can't he win? He's run two straight good races.

What kind of odds are we thinking assuming Jackson Bend and Caleb's Posse both go in the dirt mile?