Occupy Wall Street

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44981628

'Many of the Americans who have ventured out into the fields to pick crops have quit after a single day, telling farmers the work is too hard and not worth the pay.'



...jms, you obviously wouldn't shun a job because it's your belief no one would. that's simply not the case. undocumented workers come here for jobs that are available, at pay that's better than they can get elsewhere. many who live here on the other hand think such work is demeaning-which is why the jobs are available in the first place.
why do you think there really hasn't been anything done to stem the tide of illegals? i guarantee you we could stop it. raids are performed-on places paying under the table, thus no money to the feds. the ones who pay, and send money for ss-they don't get raided.

I am not saying that. I am saying that the likes of those uber conservatives crying free market have no problem taking advantage of H1B's and using illegals vs paying a rate that would attract American Citizens. Free Market only when it suits them , eventually someone will take the job and it wouldn't be at the absurd levels quoted above by our resident Economist.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

I am not saying that. I am saying that the likes of those uber conservatives crying free market have no problem taking advantage of H1B's and using illegals vs paying a rate that would attract American Citizens. Free Market only when it suits them , eventually someone will take the job and it wouldn't be at the absurd levels quoted above by our resident Economist.

are you saying only hib's work at the track? i don't think so. but anyone who takes that job is ok, but if an hib, they're being taken advantage of? no, not at all. it's a better situation than at home, which is why they do it. they aren't forced to accept those jobs.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

are you saying only hib's work at the track? i don't think so. but anyone who takes that job is ok, but if an hib, they're being taken advantage of? no, not at all. it's a better situation than at home, which is why they do it. they aren't forced to accept those jobs.

Please show me where I said that??? Otherwise cut the bull with trying to frame my post to something other that supports your response. Thank you in advance.

So here is the deal. When someone gets an H1B visa they are allowed ONLY to work for their sponsor. Their only option is to leave, they are not free to find a company that will pay them more. They have ZERO bargining power. Is That a Free Market? So American labor forced to compete with indentured servitude. Wouldn't the removal of that restriction level the playing field a bit? And the if they don't like it leave response doesn't address the issue and certainly won't get us out of this depression.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

I am not saying that. I am saying that the likes of those uber conservatives crying free market have no problem taking advantage of H1B's and using illegals vs paying a rate that would attract American Citizens. Free Market only when it suits them , eventually someone will take the job and it wouldn't be at the absurd levels quoted above by our resident Economist.

Free market is at work. We find workers who are willing to work for the wages given. Pretty simple. The idea that because an employee is on a worker program or is undocumented they are abused or underpaid is typical liberal bullshit. My grooms make $500-700 per week depending on how many horses they care for. Riders between $700-1000 a week. Hotwalkers who only work 4-5 hours a day make $250 and are paid for any extra's they do. They are provided housing. I pay for their cable. They get vacations. They get bonuses when their horses hit the board. My assistants get rent checks. At most tracks they are provided some form of medical and dental coverage via the HBPA. They are covered against workplace injury by workmans compensation insurance. They can file for unemployment if they are laid off. What Danzig said was right, most Americans wont do this work because its too hard, too early, too hot, too cold, etc. The only Americans tht wind up on the backside are those who wnt to be trainers or those with no other real options.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Free market is at work. We find workers who are willing to work for the wages given. Pretty simple. The idea that because an employee is on a worker program or is undocumented they are abused or underpaid is typical liberal bullshit. My grooms make $500-700 per week depending on how many horses they care for. Riders between $700-1000 a week. Hotwalkers who only work 4-5 hours a day make $250 and are paid for any extra's they do. They are provided housing. I pay for their cable. They get vacations. They get bonuses when their horses hit the board. My assistants get rent checks. At most tracks they are provided some form of medical and dental coverage via the HBPA. They are covered against workplace injury by workmans compensation insurance. They can file for unemployment if they are laid off. What Danzig said was right, most Americans wont do this work because its too hard, too early, too hot, too cold, etc. The only Americans tht wind up on the backside are those who wnt to be trainers or those with no other real options.

You are really generous and everything you say is just great. You can pay them a million bucks however if their options are work for you as their sponsor or go home then it is not a free market and I will argue that point until put me in the ground.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Free market is at work. We find workers who are willing to work for the wages given. Pretty simple. The idea that because an employee is on a worker program or is undocumented they are abused or underpaid is typical liberal bullshit. My grooms make $500-700 per week depending on how many horses they care for. Riders between $700-1000 a week. Hotwalkers who only work 4-5 hours a day make $250 and are paid for any extra's they do. They are provided housing. I pay for their cable. They get vacations. They get bonuses when their horses hit the board. My assistants get rent checks. At most tracks they are provided some form of medical and dental coverage via the HBPA. They are covered against workplace injury by workmans compensation insurance. They can file for unemployment if they are laid off. What Danzig said was right, most Americans wont do this work because its too hard, too early, too hot, too cold, etc. The only Americans tht wind up on the backside are those who wnt to be trainers or those with no other real options.

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