The Real Championship Meet

[Mawhip]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

People have responded to you and you've managed to ignore pretty much all of their responses. Not sure why, but it's tough to discuss things like that. Not attacking (because I can see where this is going to end up) but you've expressed opinions, people have responded and your responses are basically you reiterating the same thing.

Since you want it to get better, what should they be doing that they aren't currently? I realize that is a loaded question, but I assume you have some ideas, and I'd like to hear them.

The Beldame was a two horse race because the Cotillion at Parx is worth twice as much (ridiculous) and is run the same day. Wouldn't the Beldame have looked a lot different with It's Tricky and Plum Pretty? What is NYRA supposed to do in that instance?

I actually enjoy the Keeneland meets, from a wagering standpoint, but it's important to note these large fields we see are because connections are more apt to take a shot on that surface than they are on dirt. Not sure why, but I expect this to change (not overnight) in the next few years with the slots up and running at NYRA.

To answer your question, yes I was excited last Wednesday to bet Saturday's Belmont card. The weather was a big damper.

NYRA could restore the purse to the level it was a few years ago. At 750K, you might have got Plum or Tricky or even Blind Luck.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

NYRA could restore the purse to the level it was a few years ago. At 750K, you might have got Plum or Tricky or even Blind Luck.

Or Red Barchetta.

[GPK]

The "real championship meet" has a $86k carryover in their .50 pick 5 carryover tomorrow.

[tjfrab]

Touche' to the 'crap you have spewed' response but that crap is just an opinion which obviously hit a sore spot with a bunch of people and elicited some good commentary from several.

It might be easier selling a pro choice poster to the church than it is to cite disappointment with NYRA racing in this forum. Wow.

To Danzig (re: the Wood) - yes, I agree historically it's no contest but while it might be a fluke, the bluegrass and spiral (or whatever they're calling it now) have had more results in the derby than the Wood since poly came into play.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by tjfrab

Touche' to the 'crap you have spewed' response but that crap is just an opinion which obviously hit a sore spot with a bunch of people and elicited some good commentary from several.

It might be easier selling a pro choice poster to the church than it is to cite disappointment with NYRA racing in this forum. Wow.

To Danzig (re: the Wood) - yes, I agree historically it's no contest but while it might be a fluke, the bluegrass and spiral (or whatever they're calling it now) have had more results in the derby than the Wood since poly came into play.

it doesn't help that both i want revenge and uncle mo got hurt/sick after their wood performances. however, i'd imagine that when you take all stakes into consideration, not just the derby, that ny outshines keeneland in that regard.
keeneland only continues to hold it's graded ratings because it's keeneland, not because it's still important. keeneland is many things, but it certainly is a far cry from a championship meet. quantity of horses doesn't mean a quality field, or quality racing.
i expect keeneland to eventually switch their main track; i doubt their poly side of the business is reaping much in dividends these days. of course as long as they were trying to push that surface, they had no choice but to install it themselves. you can't exactly sell a product that you don't use.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it doesn't help that both i want revenge and uncle mo got hurt/sick after their wood performances. however, i'd imagine that when you take all stakes into consideration, not just the derby, that ny outshines keeneland in that regard.
keeneland only continues to hold it's graded ratings because it's keeneland, not because it's still important. keeneland is many things, but it certainly is a far cry from a championship meet. quantity of horses doesn't mean a quality field, or quality racing.
i expect keeneland to eventually switch their main track; i doubt their poly side of the business is reaping much in dividends these days. of course as long as they were trying to push that surface, they had no choice but to install it themselves. you can't exactly sell a product that you don't use.

Don't forget Eskendereya.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Don't forget Eskendereya.

i didn't forget him. i can't believe anyone would actually think we've seen keeneland produce more relevant horses than ny.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by tjfrab

Touche' to the 'crap you have spewed' response but that crap is just an opinion which obviously hit a sore spot with a bunch of people and elicited some good commentary from several.

It might be easier selling a pro choice poster to the church than it is to cite disappointment with NYRA racing in this forum. Wow.

To Danzig (re: the Wood) - yes, I agree historically it's no contest but while it might be a fluke, the bluegrass and spiral (or whatever they're calling it now) have had more results in the derby than the Wood since poly came into play.

It all has nothing to do with NYRA...but you know that. It's about the misinformation you are giving about Keeneland. The interesting thing, of course, is that you are the one that needed to take shots along with the falsehoods you were presenting. Others just presented the truth.

[Alan07]

I wonder what the Keeneland handle would be if they had dirt.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Alan07

I wonder what the Keeneland handle would be if they had dirt.

Wouldn't be as fun. Then we wouldn't have Grade I winners like Wicked Style, Noble's Promise, Dominican, and Monba.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Wouldn't be as fun. Then we wouldn't have Grade I winners like Wicked Style, Noble's Promise, Dominican, and Monba.

And we could have grade I winners like Wild Syn, Millenium Wind and Sinister Minister. Is there any meaningful difference?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Wouldn't be as fun. Then we wouldn't have Grade I winners like Wicked Style, Noble's Promise, Dominican, and Monba.

Redboarding alert.... I bet Monba in the Derby

[NTamm1215]

How'd the handle at Keeneland today compare to Belmont's last Saturday? Being the real Championship meet with big fields of competitive racing it had to have blown it out of the water right?

ANSWER: No, Belmont outhandled Keeneland by over 30k per race.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

How'd the handle at Keeneland today compare to Belmont's last Saturday? Being the real Championship meet with big fields of competitive racing it had to have blown it out of the water right?

ANSWER: No, Belmont outhandled Keeneland by over 30k per race.

Even with lousy weather and four races off the turf....and welltakethat's handle?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Even with lousy weather and four races off the turf....and welltakethat's handle?

That would be $0.

To put things in perspective, the Vosburgh, with 7 betting interests, had more in the exacta pool than any Keeneland stake race today, all of which had more than 7 betting interests.

[blackthroatedwind]

I look forward to seeing what Champions emerged from this weekend's Stakes at Keeneland. How about Belmont?

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I look forward to seeing what Champions emerged from this weekend's Stakes at Keeneland. How about Belmont?

One of them will show for a jumper race at Toga next year.

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

How'd the handle at Keeneland today compare to Belmont's last Saturday? Being the real Championship meet with big fields of competitive racing it had to have blown it out of the water right?

ANSWER: No, Belmont outhandled Keeneland by over 30k per race.

Gee, how can that be possible? Wasn't Keeneland #1 again this year in track ratings because its low takeout and bettor friendly nature???? I thought lower take and bigger fields always meant more handle and Keeneland was the greatest place ever.

Ok, I'll stop with the sarcasm.Credit due to those who have taken the time to figure out how to bet that surface and win. Too many results are just plain too stupifying for me to give you my money there.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

NYRA could restore the purse to the level it was a few years ago. At 750K, you might have got Plum or Tricky or even Blind Luck.

Blind Luck was never coming. I doubt 750k was getting them away from the race at Parx. Why face Havre De Grace if you can run for the same amount elsewhere?

Too many races.