Do any trainers not cheat?

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

It is not about the performance enhancement. It is about it not being legal. Why is it illegal? The rules are the rules, regardless of why they are the rules.

So your proposal of fines is the same for any type of drug? **** I hope you're not a lawmaker. Jesusjumpeduphitler.

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

While I'll agree there are some characters the track could probably do without. The game needs all the fans it can get. When you go to a track that is at capacity, then you can start to discriminate against the patrons.

My point was those degenerates scare more casual fans away from the game than a positive on a horse. The majority of casual fans don't bother reading DRF and other publications on a daily basis.

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

Well, I don't know about you, but I appreciate every dollar that makes it in the pools. I might like to suggest a $20 minimum window to filter some of these folks out of my line, but kick them out never.

There are $50 minimum windows already. Besides that was not my point. My point was their behavior at the track, what they bet is just an example of the sort of folk who act like fools.

The fact that these types of people are the backbone of the sport shows the hypocrisy of those who cry for stiffer punishments for positive tests. They can't afford to be at the track but they're pretty much allowed to act like fools as long as they spend money.

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

Most average joe owners aren't with the kinds of $$$ trainers you're mentioning anyway. The kind who could pass off the increase to their owners. They are with trainers who would be forced to be more careful or be out of the game. If the trainer is top trainer and his well-to-do clients are willing to help eat his fines then that is fine. But the fines won't force out the average joe owner, just the sloppy trainer.

That's hilarious. The fine system you proposed would run everyone but the bluebloods, coolmore and the sheikhs out of the game in the span of 5 years.

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

That is ruled on by a panel of folks who look at all the evidence. And what they decide is the final decision. Live with it. Its a free country so complain if you like, but live with it.

I'm living with it. You're the one proposing stiffer fines. Duhr.