9/3 (SAR): Woodward, Forego, Personal Ensign (G1's)

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

The thread you are talking about and the posts were in the middle of June, which was a month before the Delaware Handicap and almost 2 months before the Whitney. Obviously things change weekly, if not daily and I'm going to go out on a limb and guess both Andy and Nick had Havre De Grace as the 2nd best horse in the race today beforehand.

But, while we are on the subject of that thread, I found this exchange pretty interesting.



To which you responded



Hmmm....It's always easy to be smart after the races. But you know that.

Ok so I had the thread wrong. The point doesn't change that it was being said they'd have no chance.

Also, I'm not sure what point you are making about that exchange. It was a simple question with a simple answer. I would have been in favor of them trying the Whitney and after watching how Tizway ran, I assumed HDG at best could have been second. To which I also said there is no disgrace in that. It's the mentality that second is a disgrace that is a big part of the problem in the game today. Even if she had been second, that would have shown that she could have been competive, which those others where saying she couldn't be.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Ok so I had the thread wrong. The point doesn't change that it was being said they'd have no chance.

Also, I'm not sure what point you are making about that exchange. It was a simple question with a simple answer. I would have been in favor of them trying the Whitney and after watching how Tizway ran, I assumed HDG at best could have been second. To which I also said there is no disgrace in that. It's the mentality that second is a disgrace that is a big part of the problem in the game today. Even if she had been second, that would have shown that she could have been competive, which those others where saying she couldn't be.

I agree with the second is a big thing concept. As for BTW and Nick suggesting that a filly couldnt competite with males especially them is insane. What does sex have to do with talent and speed?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Ok so I had the thread wrong. The point doesn't change that it was being said they'd have no chance.

Also, I'm not sure what point you are making about that exchange. It was a simple question with a simple answer. I would have been in favor of them trying the Whitney and after watching how Tizway ran, I assumed HDG at best could have been second. To which I also said there is no disgrace in that. It's the mentality that second is a disgrace that is a big part of the problem in the game today. Even if she had been second, that would have shown that she could have been competive, which those others where saying she couldn't be.

No real surprise you don't get the point. You were more interested in saying "gotcha" than actually looking at what and why was said. Plus your sexist stuff is just plain hilarious. It's wonderful theatre on your part.

The point is, when the comments were made initially, Rail Trip and Friend or Foe had just recently made their first starts off long layoffs and ran nice figures. Morning Line hadn't bombed in both his Monmouth and Saratoga races. Morning Line is much better than he had showed in those races and so are the other two.

As I said, things change pretty quickly in this game. Our opinions change and need to change as quickly as we express them based on what happens. So congrats on thinking she had a chance 3 months ago and then admitting she would have been probably 3rd in the Whitney. You sure showed them.

[blackthroatedwind]

Pretty lame, but expected, crap from King Glorious.

For the record, I picked Havre de Grace second and said she and Flat Out were the only two I would use in the Pick-4.

Oh, I also said Sidney's Candy had no shot whatsoever in the Forego...and have been clear on not wanting him going forward since Todd Pletcher lost confidence in him in late July.

Like Dahoss said, and King Glorious ignored in his desperate attempt to alter the truth in order to try to knock others in a perverse ( and failed ) attempt to make himself look better ( this shouldn't be hard...though he still seems to find it elusive ), things change, often quickly, in this game.

[King Glorious]

The point was missed. Only you are the ones missing it....while at the same time making it. The point was that at the time, the suggestion that Blind Luck and Havre de Grace couldn't compete and shouldn't compete against the boys because they couldn't be competitive was silly.....because of how quickly things change. The point was that if top males were to run their best races, the numbers BL and HDG were running probably wouldn't be good enough but with the inconsistency and fragility of the males, the chances of them running their best races are always pretty low so why not take a chance when you've got two mares that you KNOW will bring it everytime.

[blackthroatedwind]

No, you have once again twisted what was said for God knows what reason.

The point, at that time, was that the previously mentioned three fillies couldn't beat the field being assembled for the Whitney. They couldn't have. That has not changed.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Pretty lame, but expected, crap from King Glorious.

For the record, I picked Havre de Grace second and said she and Flat Out were the only two I would use in the Pick-4.

Oh, I also said Sidney's Candy had no shot whatsoever in the Forego...and have been clear on not wanting him going forward since Todd Pletcher lost confidence in him in late July.

Like Dahoss said, and King Glorious ignored in his desperate attempt to alter the truth in order to try to knock others in a perverse ( and failed ) attempt to make himself look better ( this shouldn't be hard...though he still seems to find it elusive ), things change, often quickly, in this game.

You actually take the time to read his half a page post?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

You actually take the time to read his half a page post?

I was trying to imagine how he could take a shot at me in this situation given I said she was one of only two horses that I would consider using in the race.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I was trying to imagine how he could take a shot at me in this situation given I said she was one of only two horses that I would consider using in the race.

That was not taking a shot at you. I've told you before that I respect your opinions and perspectives on racing and that I enjoy reading them. After reading the profile of you in the DRF recently, I learned that the way you talk to everyone one here in a demeaning manor is not personal at all. It's just the way you've always been so it doesn't bother me anymore. Again, I was not taking a shot at you and I apologize if you felt that I was. I don't feel I ever take shots at anyone on here. The only point I was making was that I thought the two fillies both deserved a shot at trying it because they were the only consistent runners in a sea of inconsistent ones. After the Whitney, when asked, I said she would have been second at best. She wasn't beating Tizway that day. The only point was that you never know which of the males will even show up and we are even less sure which ones will run their top level when they do show up.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

That was not taking a shot at you. I've told you before that I respect your opinions and perspectives on racing and that I enjoy reading them. After reading the profile of you in the DRF recently, I learned that the way you talk to everyone one here in a demeaning manor is not personal at all. It's just the way you've always been so it doesn't bother me anymore. Again, I was not taking a shot at you and I apologize if you felt that I was. I don't feel I ever take shots at anyone on here.

I will try to respond to this when I stop laughing.