unions killing jobs...

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Originally Posted by Riot

If you are unable to talk about the subject matter you brought up in an intelligent and objective fashion, don't degenerate to silly ad hominem attacks.

Tell us - what annual income do you think is sufficient to raise a family of 4 nowadays?

That is completely based on where you live. In Denver, my current home, 60-80K should be plenty, you will not be in high cotton but will be comfortable. In the area of NJ I grew up in 45K puts at the top of the earnings list for sure. In the next town over in NJ you would need 100-140K to be OK. In Kentucky or West Virginia or most rural areas in the mid-west I would think 50-60K should be fine.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

That is completely based on where you live. In Denver, my current home, 60-80K should be plenty, you will not be in high cotton but will be comfortable.

What percentage of teachers within the city limits of Denver, Colorado, earn $80K a year?

In the area of NJ I grew up in 45K puts at the top of the earnings list for sure. In the next town over in NJ you would need 100-140K to be OK. In Kentucky or West Virginia or most rural areas in the mid-west I would think 50-60K should be fine.

As incomes for families of four?

It's easy when you guess, isn't it What you said previously is that $45K for a teacher was a good enough salary to raise a family of four. But even you say it is not, above.

Then you said that is just a starting salary. So how many teachers in that town in NJ earn 100-140K? or 60K in West Virginia?

Look: you think 80% of teachers are freeloading incompetents, with great salaries and benefits, and teachers unions enable it. You said teachers unions have destroyed the majority of schools in this country. I say that's wrong. We should just leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by Riot

What percentage of teachers within the city limits of Denver, Colorado, earn $80K a year?



As incomes for families of four?

It's easy when you guess, isn't it

Master +30 past step 7 so probably in the neighborhood of 50-60% of Denver public school teachers.

I never felt I made enough money to support a family of four and maintain the lifestyle I enjoy, therefore guessing is my only option since my wife and I have chosen not to parent without the money to back it up. I know the following as fact; what I was raised on and where, what my employees that have families get paid, I know what I pay them and where they live.
The Denver numbers are based on facts.
The NJ numbers are based on friends with families and their estimated (or actual in some cases) salaries since I know what they do for a living.

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Originally Posted by Riot

What percentage of teachers within the city limits of Denver, Colorado, earn $80K a year?



As incomes for families of four?

It's easy when you guess, isn't it What you said previously is that $45K for a teacher was a good enough salary to raise a family of four. But even you say it is not, above.

Then you said that is just a starting salary. So how many teachers in that town in NJ earn 100-140K? or 60K in West Virginia?

Look: you think 80% of teachers are freeloading incompetents, with great salaries and benefits, and teachers unions enable it. You said teachers unions have destroyed the majority of schools in this country. I say that's wrong. We should just leave it at that.

Show me. I have said over and over if that is your salary perhaps you should choose to not have a family.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Show me. I have said over and over if that is your salary perhaps you should choose to not have a family.

Again, what do my personal circumstances have to do with teachers being overpaid freeloaders or not?
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Posted by Clip-Clop
Those are methods for measure a schools performance. These results are very skewed based on location, income of the district, working parents (both, one or neither) etc. And I think they are the standards of the No Child Act.

Yes, but those individual tests measure a child's performance. And a teacher's performance can be measured upon the success of their students that they teach. And yes, such results can be skewed.

You said such measures don't exist. I am simply pointing out they do.

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Originally Posted by Riot

And this is ME, posting:



Again, what do my personal circumstances have to do with teachers being overpaid freeloaders or not?
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Yes, but those individual tests measure a child's performance. And a teacher's performance can be measured upon the success of their students that they teach. And yes, such results can be skewed.

You said such measures don't exist. I am simply pointing out they do.

"You" and "your" was referring to the collective "you" (those teachers that make 45K).