TX bred 2yo Canigotoo with 96 BSF in debut..

[Kasept]

Not really, no.. Chuck was questioning the wider opportunities and potential for a Texas-bred juvenile. Not questioning pell mell the value, validity or integrity of Beyers.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Not really, no.. Chuck was questioning the wider opportunities and potential for a Texas-bred juvenile. Not questioning pell mell the value, validity or integrity of Beyers.

I think that Shocktime's failure in the Debutante is not really much of an indicator of how Canigotoo will do later on in his career. The Debutante was a VERY strange race in that the two favorites dueled each other into the ground and finished last and next to last. It was also an ambitious spot for her but a chance that Calhoun had to take given the limited opportunities for her in TX and the surrounding areas at this point.

Chuck could very well be right about Canigotoo and I hedged by saying he could win in a neighboring state, not in a G3 in Kentucky.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Chuck has a good point based on Shocktime's awful showing in the Debutant Saturday... Had spun a 13 length win at LS in the TTAS Futurity (83 fig) and faded badly as second choice in the 2yo G3.

Totally different run race as NTamm was saying.

Got loose on an uncontested lead without needing to be asked for much going 4.5f and 5f twice in the Texas Bred.

Going 6f against a bunch of recent open debut winners - was all out and couldn't make the lead through vicious fractions in relation to final time - quits, like they often do.

Happens all over. You'll see a precocious horse with no future at all get loose going short - and beat several future very classy stakes horses. Next time, they'll run into a bunch of other similar precocious horses - who also have no future - and also may have just pissed on eventual nice horses - and they'll get fried if they can't outrun the other speed or stalk and go.