62% Federal Tax rate??!!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

With blinks off..

[i]The CBO letter says that the health law spends $780 billion in the next decade and pays for it by raising taxes and fees by $410 billion, and by reducing future Medicare funding by $500 billion. The CBO argues that the law raises more money ($910 billion) than it spends, but that is hardly sufficient reason to keep it, or any law.

Obamacare makes money. It pays for itself, and it makes money.

Blinks off, Dell - right?

Projections from another federal agency—the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS)—fill in the grim picture on what ObamaCare will do. The CMS figures, released Sept. 9, show that if you buy your own health plan, you will have to pay more every year than you would have if the law hadn't passed.

A partisan right wing think tank comes out against CBO figures. Who to believe? Oh, it's so hard to look at who has the integrity here!

Amazingly, only 3% more people will have private health insurance in 2014 than would have it if the law hadn't passed.

Yeah, that's kind of the point of it, and the number of insured will continue to increase. We have 330 million people in the country, we have about 40 million uninsured, and we'll get about 30 million insured here. A good thing. Next.

But a staggering 85.2 million people will be on public insurance—Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program, or S-CHIP.

Yes, so what? We have alot of very, very poor people in this country. Getting them health care is good for all of us. Especially young children. We, as a society, don't want young children of the poor to be starving, or sick, or unvaccinated, do we? Do you, Dell?

If helping the poor doesn't give one warm fuzzies, go back to paragraph one, where it says that doing so will make us money.

The new health law is pushing the U.S. toward a European-style welfare state, making more people dependent on government, instead of on themselves, and undermining incentives to work.

Well, nonsense. And what "European-style welfare state" is the author referencing in particular? The imaginary one in his mind?

It is encouraging people to be responsible, rather than living off their neighbors.

C'mon Dell - at least come up with good, reasoned opinion articles to share. This is a ridiculous stretch made up of straw men.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, nonsense. And what "European-style welfare state" is the author referencing in particular? The imaginary one in his mind?

It is encouraging people to be responsible, rather than living off their neighbors.

C'mon Dell - at least come up with good, reasoned opinion articles to share. This is a ridiculous stretch made up of straw men.

Complain to the Wall Street Journal. I'm sure as a former paramedic now vet you're far more informed on economic issues and impact. They'll listen to you and publish a redaction so quick you'll be able to hold your breath.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Complain to the Wall Street Journal. I'm sure as a former paramedic now vet you're far more informed on economic issues and impact. They'll listen to you and publish a redaction so quick you'll be able to hold your breath.

Get a grip and stop whining. It's an editorial. You think it's good. I think it sucks. For god's sake, it's written by BETSY MCCAUGHEY. Do you know who she is?

Edit: for those that do not know, Betsy McCaughey is the Republican strategist who single-handedly came up with, "Health care reform will have death panels that will kill your grandma!" as a fight against the Democratic effort for health care reform.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Edit: for those that do not know, Betsy McCaughey is the Republican strategist who single-handedly came up with, "Health care reform will have death panels that will kill your grandma!" as a fight against the Democratic effort for health care reform.

and no match for your expertise in healthcare based on your experiences as a suburban paramedic and animal doctor.

Betsy’s pitiful list of credentials

Betsy McCaughey, Ph.D., is a health policy expert and the former Lt. Governor of New York State. She is founder and Chairman of RID – Reduce Infection Deaths – a national campaign to support greater infection control in hospitals and other healthcare institutions. In addition to serving as Lt. Governor of New York, she has taught at Columbia University, held academic appointments in health policy at the Hudson Institute and the Manhattan Institute, written hundreds of articles for publications such as the Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, Modern Healthcare, The New Republic, and received numerous awards for her writings, including a National Magazine Award. Her research on how to prevent infection deaths has been featured on ABC’s Good Morning America, the CBS Morning Show, 20/20, and many other national television and radio programs. And her steps that patients can take to help protect themselves from infection was featured recently in the Wall Street Journal.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

and no match for your expertise in healthcare based on your experiences as a suburban paramedic and animal doctor.

Betsy’s pitiful list of credentials

Betsy McCaughley is a political operative who's lies about the health care debate split this nation in two.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Complain to the Wall Street Journal. I'm sure as a former paramedic now vet you're far more informed on economic issues and impact. They'll listen to you and publish a redaction so quick you'll be able to hold your breath.

But you're the one posting this crap here, rather than mindlessly cutting and pasting right wing nonsense, think for yourself.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

But you're the one posting this crap here, rather than mindlessly cutting and pasting right wing nonsense, think for yourself.

I have said I'm willing to give Obamacare a try if safeguards are put in place. Since it's billed as a money maker, should it fail to do so and hit maybe $5 billion in loses we need an escape plan less add another huge slice to a pie already full. We can't make any bigger a pie.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I have said I'm willing to give Obamacare a try if safeguards are put in place. Since it's billed as a money maker, should it fail to do so and hit maybe $5 billion in loses we need an escape plan less add another huge slice to a pie already full. We can't make any bigger a pie.

Yes, we can. Easily. We can have the larger size of pie we had 15 years ago. Allow the Bush tax cuts to expire grows that pie significantly. Stop giving oil companies billions in subsidies to artificially prop up an outgrown industry that is an environmentally and physically complicated and expensive way to make energy. Close tax loopholes, and slightly decrease tax rates for everybody. Bring troops home, use far less expensive targeted drones and NATO (Kudos to the USA for killing Osama bin Laden's replacement in Pakistan!) The healthcare industry is 16% of "costs" in our country, a huge burden, which is why it must be addressed and not ignored - continue to make healthcare less expensive with greater coverage. Heck, just go to single payer Medicare for everyone and solve the problem once and for all. Allow the government to bargain for prescription costs.

We have one party that protects business, one party that protects the citizen, and one party that wants everyone to be on their own. We need less package deals, and more ala carte.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

.We need less package deals, and more ala carte.

we need the government to stop functioning as a provider and focus on governing and protecting. We have a hole in our fence and instead of protecting the country by mending the fence the government is so lost it is protecting and feeding the invaders.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Allow the government to bargain for prescription costs..

LMAO yea like $500 toilet seats and $1000 hammers.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

LMAO yea like $500 toilet seats and $1000 hammers.

The sophistication and nuance of your political arguments stands alone, buddy

BTW, I do support Rahm's privatizing Streets and San. You're wrong. I don't "protect unions". I protect the right to unionize. Big difference.