Obamacare a glimpse in the future

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

we have 7 times their population and we're going to somehow handle the influx of newly insured patients many of who are subsidized by presently insured patients?

It's a shame that, months after this law was passed, you still have apparently deliberately not bothered to learn what it actually contains, in favor of made up assumptions.

First, the statement above is false. The majority of patients won't be "subsidized" by anyone but their own money. They will no longer be subsided by you and I, as they are right now.

Is this really too hard for you to understand? That private patients will be purchasing health insurance from private insurance companies? And getting health care from whatever private doctors those insurance companies allow, just like now?

Secondly, the population of other countries has nothing to do with our population, or our doctor-patient ratios.

Third, those "newly insured patients" are currently getting health care in our ER's. It will be nice to both get them off my (and your) dime, and get them out of the ER.

Fourth, if we need more internists, we will make them. That isn't very difficult.

Fifth, are you really making the argument that people shouldn't be able to purchase their own health insurance and get health care in this country, because we have a limit on how much health care we will give in this country? And once we reach some quota, everyone else is shine out of luck? What is that limit? Who set it? It's an absurdly silly argument.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

First, the statement above is false. The majority of patients won't be "subsidized" by anyone but their own money. They will no longer be subsided by you and I.

Secondly, the population of other countries has nothing to do with our population, or our doctor-patient ratios.

Third, those "newly insured patients" are currently getting health care in our ER's. It will be nice to both get them off my (and your) dime, and get them out of the ER.

Fourth, if we need more internists, we will make them. That isn't very difficult.

Fifth, you are making the argument that people shouldn't be able to purchase their own health insurance because we have a limit on how much health care we will give in this country? And once we reach the quota, everyone else is shine out of luck? What is that limit? Who set it? It's an absurdly silly argument.

No one statement, take subsidies out of it and get it done. Unhealthy people pay more for health insurance as risky drivers do for car insurance. My premiums aren't inflated for teen age drivers on my auto insurance and my health insurance shouldn't be inflated for riskier patients.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OId8ByO4jg

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

No one statement, take subsidies out of it and get it done. Unhealthy people pay more for health insurance as risky drivers do for car insurance. My premiums aren't inflated for teen age drivers on my auto insurance and my health insurance shouldn't be inflated for riskier patients.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OId8ByO4jg

Your health insurance is inflated now for the riskier patients, and for people with no insurance getting treatment. You are paying for that right now, and always have been.

Wouldn't it be nice to stop doing that? I'm all for it. You want to keep paying for people with no insurance, go right ahead.

What will happen when your insurance company carries a few million more healthy people? Your rates will go down. What will happen when sick people buy insurance? They will pay more than well people. Like now.

Your assumption that all the 40 million who are currently uninsured in this country are riskier or sicker than you has no basis in reality.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Your health insurance is inflated now for the riskier patients, and for people with no insurance getting treatment. You are paying for that right now, and always have been.

Wouldn't it be nice to stop doing that? I'm all for it. You want to keep paying for people with no insurance, go right ahead.

What will happen when your insurance company carries a few million more healthy people? Your rates will go down. What will happen when sick people buy insurance? They will pay more than well people. Like now.

Your assumption that all the 40 million who are currently uninsured in this country are riskier or sicker than you has no basis in reality.

I don't know about you but my tax paying money shouldn't have to go to give someone a free ride.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Your health insurance is inflated now for the riskier patients, and for people with no insurance getting treatment. You are paying for that right now, and always have been.

Wouldn't it be nice to stop doing that? I'm all for it. You want to keep paying for people with no insurance, go right ahead.

What will happen when your insurance company carries a few million more healthy people? Your rates will go down. What will happen when sick people buy insurance? They will pay more than well people. Like now.

Your assumption that all the 40 million who are currently uninsured in this country are riskier or sicker than you has no basis in reality.

Again I'm fine with where I am now though on anticipation of Obamacare my premiums have gone up almost 15%.

Why not form some sort of private co-op health care system where everyone pitches in according to what their able to pay and nothing else. See how that works. Put a grocery and apartment complex nearby with the same business plan and show us republicans how great that life is.

[Riot]

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

Again I'm fine with where I am now though on anticipation of Obamacare my premiums have gone up almost 15%.

You should be happy that the rules covering your insurance company gouging you for profit will become stricter in the next year.

You make a good point - you are fine with what you have (Good thing it won't change, except your costs will decrease)

So why are you trying so hard to keep other people from buying health insurance, and having all our costs go down?

Why not form some sort of private co-op health care system where everyone pitches in according to what their able to pay and nothing else. See how that works. Put a grocery and apartment complex nearby with the same business plan and show us republicans how great that life is

Please go read the PPACA and learn what's in it. Pay a little attention to the concept of exchanges. They might be a little too purely capitalistic for your taste, though.

[dellinger63]

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You should be happy that the rules covering your insurance company gouging you for profit will become stricter in the next year.

You make a good point - you are fine with what you have (Good thing it won't change, except your costs will decrease)

So why are you trying so hard to keep other people from buying health insurance, and having all our costs go down?



Please go read the PPACA and learn what's in it. Pay a little attention to the concept of exchanges. They might be a little too purely capitalistic for your taste, though.

Give everyone an opt out option. Capitalism and Freedom at the same time. In fact do the same with SS. Let me opt out and pay me back what I've paid in with NO INTEREST. I'm all good with that.

[Riot]

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Originally Posted by Riot

Give everyone an opt out option. Capitalism and Freedom at the same time. In fact do the same with SS. Let me opt out and pay me back what I've paid in with NO INTEREST. I'm all good with that.

Opt out of what?

If you ever learn what "Obamacare" is, let me know I'm sure you'd be upset to learn it's already "in service", and you are suffering under much of it right now!