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Old 05-15-2011, 02:39 PM
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I didn't say you HAVE to be horse of the year. I said either win that once OR be a divisional champion in more than one year. For example, Open Mind was champion 2yo filly and 3yo filly. Safely Kept was named champion sprinter in 1990. If she had been the winner in 1989 also, that would be her two. Meeting this would get a horse considered but that alone wouldn't make it automatic as is would make less than zero sense to have Open Mind in and Easy Goer out.

I just don't like situations where a case has to be made for any entrant into any hall of fame. If you have to take out their resume and make a case for them, I don't think they belong. When Zenyatta and Goldikova are eligible, if you have to pull out the pp's to see what they did, you shouldn't have a vote. I'd have a very select membership.
How many fillies win grade 1 races sprinting at 2, going 1 1/4 at 3 and carry 130 pounds in winning a grade 1 at 4? If the owner hadn't insisted on running a the filly when she wasnt 100% at Hollywood SB would have won 2 championships.
If they had a filly sprint championship dont you think Safely kept would have won 3 times?

These 2 horses were a combined 39 for 52 with 49 in the money placing's, virtually all in graded stakes.

If these aren't hall of famers then the hall of fame shouldn't bother anymore.
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Old 05-16-2011, 11:16 AM
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How many fillies win grade 1 races sprinting at 2, going 1 1/4 at 3 and carry 130 pounds in winning a grade 1 at 4? If the owner hadn't insisted on running a the filly when she wasnt 100% at Hollywood SB would have won 2 championships.
If they had a filly sprint championship dont you think Safely kept would have won 3 times?

These 2 horses were a combined 39 for 52 with 49 in the money placing's, virtually all in graded stakes.

If these aren't hall of famers then the hall of fame shouldn't bother anymore.
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Old 05-17-2011, 02:38 PM
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How many fillies win grade 1 races sprinting at 2, going 1 1/4 at 3 and carry 130 pounds in winning a grade 1 at 4? If the owner hadn't insisted on running a the filly when she wasnt 100% at Hollywood SB would have won 2 championships.
If they had a filly sprint championship dont you think Safely kept would have won 3 times?

These 2 horses were a combined 39 for 52 with 49 in the money placing's, virtually all in graded stakes.

If these aren't hall of famers then the hall of fame shouldn't bother anymore.
We just have different ideas on what a hall of fame should look like. I don't want any horses in there that cause debate. I only want entries that are no-brainer choices for the vast majority. I want a horse that, if you have a room of 10 people and you go around the room and ask all for a yes or no vote, you get at least eight yes votes without hesitation. Not one that gets six yes votes, two no votes and two others that say they need to look at the horse's record real quick to make a decision. So it's just a difference of opinion on what should make a hall of famer.
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Old 05-17-2011, 05:08 PM
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We just have different ideas on what a hall of fame should look like. I don't want any horses in there that cause debate. I only want entries that are no-brainer choices for the vast majority. I want a horse that, if you have a room of 10 people and you go around the room and ask all for a yes or no vote, you get at least eight yes votes without hesitation. Not one that gets six yes votes, two no votes and two others that say they need to look at the horse's record real quick to make a decision. So it's just a difference of opinion on what should make a hall of famer.
If you have a room of 10 people with clue then you would have gotten 10 yes votes for this years inductees.
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Old 05-17-2011, 06:33 PM
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If you have a room of 10 people with clue then you would have gotten 10 yes votes for this years inductees.
I guess that makes me clueless. Which comes as no surprise to you I'm sure.
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If you have a room of 10 people with clue then you would have gotten 10 yes votes for this years inductees.
lol.......................agree 110%
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