Uncle Mo gets treatment at Winstar

[Riot]

Originally Posted by freddymo

This colt never races again. Please I am sure you realize this. How can They afford further damage to his rep? Do you have a mare you want to submit to the new Unbridled Song?

What I realize, as a vet, is that persistently "elevated enzymes" and a failure to respond to a course of antibiotics for a "GI tract" thing means you have to look more deeply at what is going on. I can think of multiple possibilities, some simple and curable, others not. And I can readily think of scenarios (diagnoses) that are completely compatible with what they have publicly said about the horse and his treatment/response to date. So no, I don't have to jump on a superficial assumption the horse is retired and they are lying to the public. I hope they find it, and I hope the horse is okay.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Riot

What I realize, as a vet, is that persistently "elevated enzymes" and a failure to respond to a course of antibiotics for a "GI tract" thing means you have to look more deeply at what is going on. I can think of multiple possibilities, some simple and curable, others not. And I can readily think of scenarios (diagnoses) that are completely compatible with what they have publicly said about the horse and his treatment/response to date. So no, I don't have to jump on a superficial assumption the horse is retired and they are lying to the public. I hope they find it, and I hope the horse is okay.

Dr.. The colt is retired. While I get you are 100% correct in your medical thoughts..Clearly the colts value can not be compromised and raced with potential failure, he has done enough, he is retired for stud service period!

What would you do guess what is wrong with him and hope he races wel again at Belmont in the Jim Dandy or retire him for 40k a load?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Dr.. The colt is retired. While I get you are 100% correct in your medical thoughts..Clearly the colts value can not be compromised and raced with potential failure, he has done enough, he is retired for stud service period!

What would you do guess what is wrong with him and hope he races wel again at Belmont in the Jim Dandy or retire him for 40k a load?

My first post said that I thought he was indeed retired, but they still have to find out what's wrong with him. I hope they find it, I hope it's not serious.

[Mawhip]

Who says that don't know what's wrong with him. You don't really think they are telling the truth. Just in case you haven't hear this recently but trainers do lie.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

Who says that don't know what's wrong with him. You don't really think they are telling the truth. Just in case you haven't hear this recently but trainers do lie.

Yeah its all a conspiracy

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah its all a conspiracy

Chuck this colt has been the subject of intense well known issue for months..I am surprised you arent falling into line, if he was 80 % he would have killed these plugs in the derby.. He didnt come back for whatever reason, and you know it!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Chuck this colt has been the subject of intense well known issue for months..I am surprised you arent falling into line, if he was 80 % he would have killed these plugs in the derby.. He didnt come back for whatever reason, and you know it!

Fall in line? I'm sure I can find out whatever there is to find out but I honestly don't care that much.

I just think the conspiratorial tone that involves this horse is amusing.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Chuck this colt has been the subject of intense well known issue for months..I am surprised you arent falling into line, if he was 80 % he would have killed these plugs in the derby.. He didnt come back for whatever reason, and you know it!

He was about 75% and was beaten easily in the Wood. Nothing he's done this year is even close to his maiden win last summer. Either he's another junior varsity star that found himself lacking when the rest of the class caught up to him at varsity or whatever is wrong with him has been going on for a while.

[Mawhip]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah its all a conspiracy

Answer me this Chuck. After the Wood, Pletcher said he had a gastrointestinal infection. Now he says they don't know what it is. So which one is it? A gastrointestinal infection or they don't know. If they don't know, why did they say he had a gastrointestinal infection.

You can answer or I coud tell you that Pletcher made up the whole thing after the Wood so he wouldn't have to keep answering the question as to why Uncle Mo looked like a 600 pound donkey.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

Answer me this Chuck. After the Wood, Pletcher said he had a gastrointestinal infection. Now he says they don't know what it is. So which one is it? A gastrointestinal infection or they don't know. If they don't know, why did they say he had a gastrointestinal infection.

You can answer or I coud tell you that Pletcher made up the whole thing after the Wood so he wouldn't have to keep answering the question as to why Uncle Mo looked like a 600 pound donkey.

You do understand that the patient doesn't talk and sometimes you treat what you think is the main issue but that winds up being a secondary issue? Despite what you read on the internet there aren't a lot of clear cut issues when you are dealing with internal issues of thoroughbreds.

Do you seriously think that Todd Pletcher wants to pretend like he doesn't know what is the matter with his horse if he does? What would be the benefit of this?

[3kings]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

Answer me this Chuck. After the Wood, Pletcher said he had a gastrointestinal infection. Now he says they don't know what it is. So which one is it? A gastrointestinal infection or they don't know. If they don't know, why did they say he had a gastrointestinal infection.

You can answer or I coud tell you that Pletcher made up the whole thing after the Wood so he wouldn't have to keep answering the question as to why Uncle Mo looked like a 600 pound donkey.

Hey pg1985 who did you bet in the Derby?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Riot

My first post said that I thought he was indeed retired, but they still have to find out what's wrong with him. I hope they find it, I hope it's not serious.

I am sure we can agree Uncle Mo can live a healthy life as a stud without much issue.. he will be fine with some R and R..
He will be porking mares like a champ Feb1 2012

[Mawhip]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I am sure we can agree Uncle Mo can live a healthy life as a stud without much issue.. he will be fine with some R and R..
He will be porking mares like a champ Feb1 2012

I think breeding season begins Feb 15th.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

I think breeding season begins Feb 15th.

As a novice, he'd be breeding non-TB mares before that, to learn what to do.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I am sure we can agree Uncle Mo can live a healthy life as a stud without much issue..

Not if he's got something significantly wrong internally.

Yes, Mawhip, trainers lie. But from a medical standpoint, everything they've said publicly is common and obvious. I can think of at least 10 things that could cause persistently elevated "enzymes" (GGT, AST, AlkP, AST, etc if that's true) without a definitive response to an antibiotic trial.

Quite an elaborate ruse to go through if they just want to retire the horse, or if he has a musculo-skeletal injury they are trying to hide (the vets cleared the horse to run, btw, which is consistent with what they've told the public about the horses problems).

Geesh - I hope the horse turns out okay, and it ends up nothing serious, and he has a stud career (or better back to the races in the fall).

You guys think whatever the hell you want.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

Not if he's got something significantly wrong internally.

Yes, Mawhip, trainers lie. But from a medical standpoint, everything they've said publicly is common and obvious. I can think of at least 10 things that could cause persistently elevated "enzymes" (GGT, AST, AlkP, AST, etc if that's true) without a definitive response to an antibiotic trial.

Todd Pletcher said only one "enzyme" was persistently elevated, not several. That was the reason he said that they still hadn't identified the source of his ill health.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Todd Pletcher said only one "enzyme" was persistently elevated, not several. That was the reason he said that they still hadn't identified the source of his ill health.

I know. That narrows it to one of four. That's why he needs to get off the track (as stuff there can influence two-three of them and cause elevations) and see what shakes out, if it persists.