3-year-old Recap - Updated Derby Chances

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

This is the problem with this entire thread, which I was dumb enough to read all of. You're taking your opinion and then insulting anyone who disagrees with it. You think she'd be a bad fit, some have disagreed, it's perfectly OK for there to be differing viewpoints.

There's something that needs to be mentioned in every discussion on this message board about the Derby. We have just been treated to seven of the worst Derby preps in the last 20 years. There has been very, very little to like about any of them (Wood-Spiral-Sunland Derby-Fla Derby-Wood-Ill Derby-SA Derby). In that time period there was a pretty damn good performance by a filly.

There are plenty of factors that go into whether she could be competitive in the Derby. They should be weighed by her connections. No one is saying she should go or would be a great fit, but hell, there's no way I'd completely dismiss it if I owned her.

Remember, I just threw out the comment "She would get slaughtered in the Derby", and then the **** flinging started. I was not insulting anybody.

Did I overreact to what Hockey said? Yeah, I suppose I did, but he's been sort of a little bitch at me lately, so I gave him some crap back.

And, if I did own that filly, I would very much think she was a bad fit for the Derby.

As bad as you think the Derby preps have been, the fillies have been much worse. It's not even close in my eyes.

I'm not even sure I'd agree with you that those Derby preps were as bad as you say. For starters, I don't count the Spiral and the Sunland race as legit preps. The Illinois Derby? I'd probably dismiss that as well.

You count the Wood twice. Did you mean to say the Gotham, or maybe the FOY? Regardless, I thought the SA Derby turned out to be a better race than I expected (after the scratch of PP anyways). The Fla Derby was overhyped, which leaves us with the Wood.

While obviously I am disappointed with the result, looking at the race objectively, I think the first two finishers ran much better than anyone expected.

These prep races were, as a whole, not what we were all hoping for, but man, there've been much worse in recent years.

[lemoncrush]

I think when this whole Derby thing is over, you two should get an apartment together. Name that movie.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

I think when this whole Derby thing is over, you two should get an apartment together. Name that movie.

"Anchorman"

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by robfla

"Anchorman"

Correct. And Ron Burgundy is picking Sway Away in the Arkansas derby this weekend. He's been high in him since he saw him in the Best Pal Stakes at Del Mar last summer.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

I think when this whole Derby thing is over, you two should get an apartment together. Name that movie.

Beauty and the Beast.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Remember, I just threw out the comment "She would get slaughtered in the Derby", and then the **** flinging started. I was not insulting anybody.

Did I overreact to what Hockey said? Yeah, I suppose I did, but he's been sort of a little bitch at me lately, so I gave him some crap back.

And, if I did own that filly, I would very much think she was a bad fit for the Derby.

As bad as you think the Derby preps have been, the fillies have been much worse. It's not even close in my eyes.

I'm not even sure I'd agree with you that those Derby preps were as bad as you say. For starters, I don't count the Spiral and the Sunland race as legit preps. The Illinois Derby? I'd probably dismiss that as well.

You count the Wood twice. Did you mean to say the Gotham, or maybe the FOY? Regardless, I thought the SA Derby turned out to be a better race than I expected (after the scratch of PP anyways). The Fla Derby was overhyped, which leaves us with the Wood.

While obviously I am disappointed with the result, looking at the race objectively, I think the first two finishers ran much better than anyone expected.

These prep races were, as a whole, not what we were all hoping for, but man, there've been much worse in recent years.

The fillies are far from a deep group, but her individual performances have been very solid.

You really think the Wood this year was better than any of the last four runnings? The performance of the winner this year was vastly inferior to that of the last four winners. The field quality was horrible. The SA Derby is a tough one to compare because this was the first running on dirt in four years. This year's Fla Derby was overrated before and after. It compares VERY poorly to the 2008 and 2009 runnings and I don't think Dialed In ran any better than Ice Box did last year.

The preps have been atrocious. If the only one we can be mildly excited about is a SA Derby where a distance-challenged son of Bwana Charlie was run down by a last out maiden winner then that's not saying much IMO.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The fillies are far from a deep group, but her individual performances have been very solid.

You really think the Wood this year was better than any of the last four runnings? The performance of the winner this year was vastly inferior to that of the last four winners. The field quality was horrible. The SA Derby is a tough one to compare because this was the first running on dirt in four years. This year's Fla Derby was overrated before and after. It compares VERY poorly to the 2008 and 2009 runnings and I don't think Dialed In ran any better than Ice Box did last year.

The preps have been atrocious. If the only one we can be mildly excited about is a SA Derby where a distance-challenged son of Bwana Charlie was run down by a last out maiden winner then that's not saying much IMO.

Yeah, I'll concede all that. However, I still think that the winner of the SA Derby was probably somewhat better than your average recent maiden winner. Certainly, he's got more upside at this point than Tiago did. To me, I guess I'm trying to say, that when PP got hurt, I expected that race to be horrific. My expectations were exceeded.

Dialed In was definitely better than Ice Box to me.

He has way more upside.