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04-07-2011, 05:47 PM
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I always found that to be a bit comical with Sox fans. Somehow the Yankees "buy" championships but when they sign Manny or Pedro or Crawford or Gonzales, somehow they are "growing" their team the old fashioned way.
Make no mistake, the Sox buy their championships just like any other team. 
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#5
04-08-2011, 10:08 PM
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Boston has built their teams in the 2000's through shrewd moves with a few big money signings. Pedro was acquired via trade Gonzalez was acquired via trade Beckett and Mike Lowell via trade Pedroia was drafted by Boston Youkilis was drafted by Boston Ellsbury was drafted by Boston Varitek was acquired via trade (along with Derrick Lowe) Lester was drafted by Boston Buchholz was drafted by Boston Papelbon was drafted by Boston Bard was drafted by Boston Wakefield was signed by Boston for 175k as a FA after being released by the Pirates Ortiz signed as a FA for 1.2 million after being released by the Twins Lowrie drafted by Boston Millar signed as FA for 2 million a year Damon signed as FA for 7 million a year (same as previous year) Schilling was acquired via trade Foulke signed as FA for 3.5 million (or half of what he had made the previous year) Arroyo was claimed off of waivers by Boston Mueller was signed as a FA for 2.1 million (less than his previous 2 years salary with the Cubs) Bellhorn was given to Boston for nothing by the Rockies Crisp was acquired by trade Okajima was signed as an Intl F for 1.2 million Victor Martinez was acquired via trade Boston's major FA signings "splurges" Lugo was signed as a FA for 8 million (not exactly thier finest hour) JD Drew was signed as a FA for 14 million Manny was signed as a FA for avg 18 million Daisuke was signed as an Int'l FA for 8.3 million (they did pay a huge posting fee) Lackey was signed as a FA for avg 16 million a year Beltre was a 1 year, 10 million FA signing that netted them a 1st round pick when he signed with Texas Cameron signed as a FA for 7.5 million These are the major players on the 2 WS winning teams and players since 2004. Do I really need to go through the Yankees for a comparison?
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#6
04-08-2011, 10:27 PM
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These are the major players on the 2 WS winning teams and players since 2004. Do I really need to go through the Yankees for a comparison?[/quote]
Well yes.....if for no other reason that I think I would really enjoy the comparable dialogue.....
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#7
04-08-2011, 10:32 PM
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Calling half of those deals "trades" is laughable. If that is the case, can I call a rod a "trade acquisition"? How about Clemens? Knoblauch?
When a team like the padres "trades" a young stud 1st baseman for minor leaguers and stud subsequently signs 100 trillion dollar contract before he plays an inning, that is in essence a free agent signing. When a team that is about to become history "trades" the best young arm in baseball and said pitcher signs for a trillion dollars, that is in essence a free agent signing. Yeah, schilling was a "trade". So was Pedro.  We have already debated this. The yanks last world series was pretty sickening but let's not act like Boston's were homegrown. At least the yanks best players during their dynasty years were farm products. Boston can't even say that.
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04-09-2011, 09:23 AM
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SO the Red Sox forced these teams to deal with them? What above market deal did they do? Who signed for $250 million dollars? They gave up Carl Pavano who when he was traded was the 9th ranked prospect in the game by Baseball America. They gave up Hanley Ramirez for Beckett and Lowell. They gave up 4 highly ranked prospects for Schilling including Astros current closer Brandon Lyon and 1st round pick Fossum. Schilling made 10 million in 03 with AZ, 12 million in 04 with Boston. Everyone knew that SD wasn't going to resign with AZ. Do you think he wouldn't have found someone to meet his asking price if they had kept him as a FA? That Boston giving up 2 top prospects doesnt count? That is the difference. Boston has signed good players to realistic contracts and let guys go at the right time and collected draft picks that they have used wisely. The fact they have the ability to trade top prospects to get players back is the difference. The Yankees for the most part just spend. Who is an important player that they have drafted in the 2000's? Besides Cano who is thier young homegrown talent? And yeah you can call the Clemens deal a trade. They didn't exactly give him away considering David Wells and Lloyd were top players. My point isnt that Boston doesn't have a high payroll compared to a lot of other teams but they are no where near the Yankees in throwing money at guys.
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#9
04-09-2011, 09:38 AM
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The Yankees have 126 million committed in payroll for 2013! Oh yeah that is for 8 players.
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#10
04-09-2011, 02:18 PM
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JD Drew? 14 million a year for a guy that platoons? Mike Lowell? They didn't want that contract but they took it at 9 million per to watch him rot on the bench for two years. How many teams can afford that? How did that "make sense"? Julio Lugo? Did Carl Crawford come over for FREE? How about that Gonzales trade? I bet you there are plenty of teams that can afford those moves. REALLY SHREWD ON THEO's PART. That 300 million is a "thrifty" 300 million.  I did not compare the current Sox to the current Yankees. I compared the respective mini dynasties although I would be hard pressed to call what boston accomplished recently a dynasty. Of course, after going close to 90 years, 2 titles in a decade should be considered a dynasty. If the sox win this year, it was bought pure and simple.
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#11
04-09-2011, 03:16 PM
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So 9 million a year for a guy who hits .324 with 21 Hr and 121 RBI's and finishes 5th in the MVP voting the year you win a world Series is "bad value"?
So JD Drew didn't exactly work out as planned but him for 5 years and 70 million is hardly outrageous. Perhaps a 5 year deal for an injury prone player wasnt a great idea but 14 million a year for a player with his numbers isnt that far out of the realm especially considering he made 11.4 million his last season with the Dodgers. And JD Drew regularly has 550+ plate appearances, he is hardly a platoon player. You want to judge Dice-K now but at the time the Red Sox were hardly the only ones bidding for him. Supposedly the Angels bid $45 million in a posting fee and would have given him a similar contract. They did outbid the Angels for Crawford but they gave up 4 star prospects for Gonzalez. Do you think that the Cubs or Dodgers or Orioles weren't going to pay for Him after this seson? Boston beat them to the punch because they have stockpiled a ton of minor league talent and are able to use it just like they did when getting Beckett and Lowell. They were able to turn a year of Adrian Beltre at 10 million a year (a deal you hated btw) and 2 good prospects for Gonzalez AND a number 1 draft pick. That isnt a good deal? Where did they OVERPAY? I didn't want to do it because it is tedious but lets compare the Yankees...
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#12
04-09-2011, 03:41 PM
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A Rods contract 10 years 275 million (avg 27.5 million) Not much to say
CC-7 years 161 million (23 million) Completely overbid with 7 yr deal Teixeria- 8 years 180 million (22.5) completely overbid with 8 year deal Burnett -5 years 82million (16.5) LOL Jeters latest 3 years 51 milion (17 million) Think he is worth it now? Mo 2 years 30 million (15 million) deserves every penny Posada 4 years 52 million (13 million) produces like a 2 million dollar player now Soriano- 3 years 35 million (12 million) 12 million for a set up guy? The Yankees Payrolls since 2004 2010: $213,359,389 2009: $201,449,189 2008: $209,081,577 2007: $189,639,045 2006: $194,663,079 2005: $208,306,817 2004: $184,193,950 The Red Sox Payroll since 2004 (Major League contracts plus pro-rated signing bonuses): 2010: $168,109,833 2009: $121,745,999 2008: $133,390,035 2007: $143,026,214 2006: $120,099,824 2005: $123,505,125 2004: $127,298,500 The Phillies payroll since 2004 2010: $138,178,379 2009: $113,004,046 2008: $ 98,269,880 2007: $ 89,428,213 2006: $ 88,273,333 2005: $ 95,522,000 2004: $ 93,219,167 The Mets payroll since 2004 2010: $126,498,096 2009: $149,373,987 2008: $137,793,376 2007: $115,231,663 2006: $101,084,963 2005: $101,305,821 2004: $ 96,660,970 The White Sox payroll since 2004 2010: $103,080,000 2009: $ 96,068,500 2008: $121,189,332 2007: $108,671,833 2006: $102,750,667 2005: $ 75,178,000 2004: $ 65,212,500 The Cubs payroll since 2004 2010: $144,359,000 2009: $134,809,000 2008: $118,345,833 2007: $ 99,670,332 2006: $ 94,424,499 2005: $ 87,032,933 2004: $ 90,560,00 The Tigers payroll since 2004 2010: $133,995,400 2009: $115,085,145 2008: $137,685,196 2007: $ 95,180,369 2006: $ 82,612,866 2005: $ 69,092,000 2004: $ 46,832,000
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