Wait On That Abortion

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

The whole problem is: it's not just her body. Her body is all the cells having her DNA. The cells having different DNA is another person. Yes, dependent and growing, but another person nonetheless.

Many of us think it is much more about the baby. That's the whole point of this butchery, is it not? We're not talking about plastic surgery here.

You are deliberately using inflammatory false equivalency terms - "a person" "butchery" "murder".

Try making your argument using more realistic descriptors.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are deliberately using inflammatory false equivalency terms - "a person" "butchery" "murder".

Try making your argument using more realistic descriptors.

That's a difference of opinion.

Those who believe life begins at conception also believe abortion is a murderous act.

The uniqueness of the DNA indicates the presence of a unique individual at whatever state of development. That does not depend on any one organ or biological structure, as many of us also don't believe in euthanasia for the elderly. The functioning or non-functioning of any one organ does not grant or deprive one of "person" status. The first artificial heart recipient, Barney Clark, did not cease to be a human being when his heart was removed and replaced with the Jarvik-7. People with brain damage or special mental challenges are not less of a person. Nor are people who have lost limbs. With the case of a developing human being there is also the fact that, left alone, they will grow and enhance into having all those parts and ablilties, and that's really what the pro-abortion people want to prevent: the responsibility of caring for and raising their child.

And I am familiar with what the procedures are, especially the "partial birth" variety, and if that's not butchery, I don't know what would qualify.

[Riot]

That's a difference of opinion.

Nonsense. Medicine doesn't use those terms, those words are inappropriate to the subject matter. Those words murder butchery baby (when discussing an aggregate of 8 dividing cells, calling it a "baby"? ) are used only by those trying to inflame passions against abortion.

Those who believe life begins at conception also believe abortion is a murderous act.

Many do, but not everyone does. I don't.

The uniqueness of the DNA indicates the presence of a unique individual at whatever state of development.

Then why are you not calling in-vitro fertilization clinics murder centers? At least be consistent with that argument.

With the case of a developing human being there is also the fact that, left alone, they will grow and enhance into having all those parts and ablilties, and that's really what the pro-abortion people want to prevent: the responsibility of caring for and raising their child.

Many people who choose to terminate a pregnancy think long and hard about the lifetime commitment to raising a child. Which is why they choose abortion.

If those words regarding care and raising were true, the anti-abortion crowd would be eagerly financing the care and raising of those children they forced into birth, offering classes on child rearing help, etc. They most certainly do not. In fact, the majority actively support defunding of those programs.

And I am familiar with what the procedures are, especially the "partial birth" variety, and if that's not butchery, I don't know what would qualify.

Then you realize that "partial birth abortions" are indeed extremely rare, most certainly not what we are talking about when we talk about elective abortion, and not permitted in most jurisdictions.