Derby Trail Next Start-Likely/Possible

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He's not even close to a " complete wild card. "

He's slow.

I keep forgetting that slow horses are banned by law from hitting the board in the Derby.

By the way, this "slow" horse improved his top Beyer by 13 points in his sophomore debut, and has a graded two-turn win over the CD surface.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by justindew

I keep forgetting that slow horses are banned by law from hitting the board in the Derby.

By the way, this "slow" horse improved his top Beyer by 13 points in his sophomore debut, and has a graded two-turn win over the CD surface.

Slow horses win Classics all the time. See Drosselslug

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Slow horses win Classics all the time. See Drosselslug

Non sequitur.

The whole field was slow.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Non sequitur.

The whole field was slow.

Umm, Super Saver anyone

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Umm, Super Saver anyone

What about him?

You mean another slow horse beating another slow field, over the only track in the world he could have possibly won the race over, with a perfect trip?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

What about him?

You mean another slow horse beating another slow field, over the only track in the world he could have possibly won the race over, with a perfect trip?

Giacomo...should I continue. Just shut the hell up

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Giacomo...should I continue. Just shut the hell up

Again. That might have been the worst Derby field in 20 years, except for Afleet Alex.

You do remember what happened to Afleet Alex, right?

Or maybe you think Mo isn't as good as AA, I don't know.

Either way, you are both wrong and a moron.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by justindew

I keep forgetting that slow horses are banned by law from hitting the board in the Derby.

By the way, this "slow" horse improved his top Beyer by 13 points in his sophomore debut, and has a graded two-turn win over the CD surface.

You only continue to prove my point. My argument was with you calling him a " complete wild card " and, as you have further shown, he is anything but.

I don't give a sh it what he does, or where he does it, but he is far from a " complete wild card. " That's all.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You only continue to prove my point. My argument was with you calling him a " complete wild card " and, as you have further shown, he is anything but.

I don't give a sh it what he does, or where he does it, but he is far from a " complete wild card. " That's all.

Well, considering the title of this thread is "Derby Trail Next Start-Likely/Possible", what he does and where he does it are relevant to the discussion.

And feel free to define "wild card". My point is that he is going to the Derby off of a synthetic prep, which will very probably mask any progress he has continued to make since turning three. Maybe he hasn't progressed any more than he showed in his last start. Or maybe he has. Who knows? I don't. So I'm calling him a wild card. Sorry. A COMPLETE wild card.

[randallscott35]

The Packers were a Wild Card this year. So there.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by justindew

By the way, this "slow" horse improved his top Beyer by 13 points in his sophomore debut, and has a graded two-turn win over the CD surface.

If he has all that going for him, then why the hell is he a "complete wild card"?

Le Prince in the 1990 Travers. That would have been a complete wild card.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

If he has all that going for him, then why the hell is he a "complete wild card"?

Le Prince in the 1990 Travers. That would have been a complete wild card.

Jesustapdancingchrist.

To me, as I explained earlier, a "wild card" is a horse whose talent level isn't was well established as many of his opponents. Santiva was not fast enough to compete with the likes of Uncle Mo, The Factor, etc. as a juvenile. In his only race this year, he ran well and earned a much higher fig than anything he had produced last year. He will have one more race before the Derby, and that race will be over synthetic- meaning it won't tell me all I would like to know about his form or talent level. Thus, at least as far as I am concerned, there will be a big question mark next to his name.

So I called him a wild card.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by justindew

So I called him a wild card.

I get your reasoning now.

The Kentucky Derby will be Uncle Mo versus 19 complete wild cards.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I get your reasoning now.

The Kentucky Derby will be Uncle Mo versus 19 complete wild cards.

Now you're being completely ridiculous as opposed to just ridiculous.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

If he has all that going for him, then why the hell is he a "complete wild card"?

Is it really that hard to figure out? The guy thinks the horse might be moving in the right direction, but if the horse's next start is on synthetic he's saying he won't learn what he wants to learn about the horse's dirt form/ability when it comes to the Derby.
Sounds reasonable to me.
Just because justindew is the one who made the point doesn't automatically make it completely ridiculous.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Is it really that hard to figure out? The guy thinks the horse might be moving in the right direction, but if the horse's next start is on synthetic he's saying he won't learn what he wants to learn about the horse's dirt form/ability when it comes to the Derby.
Sounds reasonable to me.
Just because justindew is the one who made the point doesn't automatically make it completely ridiculous.

Justin Dew now has a spokesman?

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Justin Dew now has a spokesman?

For the record, I intend to really step up my posting game in the coming weeks. No more blatant (though apparently not obvious to all) attempts to rile people up.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by justindew

For the record, I intend to really step up my posting game in the coming weeks. No more blatant (though apparently not obvious to all) attempts to rile people up.

Raising your game won't be hard. Lowering it would be impossible.

I consider you a flatliner.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I consider you a flatliner.

I know of no one on DT who would disagree with you there. But I've got some posts planned for the coming weeks that will really knock your socks off.

You also haven't accepted my Facebook friend request yet.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Justin Dew now has a spokesman?

Yep....he hired me a few weeks ago.
I thought stating that everything he says isn't "automatically wrong" just because he is the one saying it was a nice, conservative way to get started on the job.

I guess not. Too much too soon.

Perhaps I should have started even more conservatively and said something like..."hey he's bound to be at least partially right one of these days, right?" Either way, I plan to execute this assignment so wonderfully that DrugS is facebooking him for handicapping tips by the middle of June.