Wait On That Abortion

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Abortion will again be illegal, as it should be, and this embarrassing and tragic episode, fatal to 40,000,000+ persons, will be over.

If you value 40,000,000 lives so strongly, I strongly suggest you stop railing against any programs that help those in poverty, without jobs, public health, trying to defund Planned Parenthood, etc. You can't continue to pick and choose when you respect life as a "person", and when you do not. It appears that for many, respect and concern for "life" ends at birth.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you value 40,000,000 lives so strongly, I strongly suggest you stop railing against any programs that help those in poverty, without jobs, public health, trying to defund Planned Parenthood, etc. You can't continue to pick and choose when you respect life as a "person", and when you do not. It appears that for many, respect and concern for "life" ends at birth.

How about instead of abortion, people who can't afford to have children simply do not get pregnant in the first place? Why is that so unthinkable?

It is up to those individuals to exercise discipline and good planning in order to avoid the situation where an "unwanted pregnancy" occurs.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by joeydb

How about instead of abortion, people who can't afford to have children simply do not get pregnant in the first place? Why is that so unthinkable?

It is up to those individuals to exercise discipline and good planning in order to avoid the situation where an "unwanted pregnancy" occurs.

Not realistic.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Not realistic.

Fine. Then have the baby. Murder is not an option.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

How about instead of abortion, people who can't afford to have children simply do not get pregnant in the first place? Why is that so unthinkable?

It is up to those individuals to exercise discipline and good planning in order to avoid the situation where an "unwanted pregnancy" occurs.

Yes, exactly. So why are you butting in and trying to make government control that?

If one is rabidly anti-abortion, I would would think it logical and helpful to promote, support and contribute to programs that teach exactly those things you outline, above. Planning, responsibility, etc. Why don't you?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

If one is rabidly anti-abortion, I would would think it logical and helpful to promote, support and contribute to programs that teach exactly those things you outline, above. Planning, responsibility, etc. Why don't you?

Who said I wasn't? Truly preventative measures (pre-conception) are something many people, including me, support. It's probably 90 something percent.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Who said I wasn't? Truly preventative measures (pre-conception) are something many people, including me, support. It's probably 90 something percent.

You are against defunding Planned Parenthood? You are against defunding the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act? You are against defunding sex education in schools?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are against defunding Planned Parenthood? You are against defunding the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act? You are against defunding sex education in schools?

I thought you just said that ObamaCare doesn't provide funding for abortion. Why would anyone's opposition to this (the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act -- what a misnomer) have any bearing on the abortion issue then?

I am for the cessation of Planned Parenthoods abortion services. You can cast that any way you like.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I thought you just said that ObamaCare doesn't provide funding for abortion.

It doesn't. The PPACA doesn't provide any funding for abortion. The PPACA does help uninsured women get healthcare from doctors, including gynecologists: who prescribe birth control pills, show how to use condoms, explain how sex works, explain how you get pregnant, and provides education on birth control methods and preventing pregnancy.

Precise the kind of thing I'd think you'd support, as you said you're all for that.

Why would anyone's opposition to this (the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act -- what a misnomer) have any bearing on the abortion issue then?

See above.

I am for the cessation of Planned Parenthoods abortion services. You can cast that any way you like.

That's fine. But I asked you if you were in favor of stopping federal funding to Planned Parenthood, the very federal funding that does NOT provide abortions, but DOES provide birth control, pregnancy prevention education - the very things you said you strongly support. Yes or no?

[Honu]

Im feeling pretty blessed right now that I was born gay and that I dont have to worry about the one and only way to get pregnant and the 15 or 20 ways to not get pregnant.
Im all for humans being implanted with something that keeps them from impregnating or becoming pregnant when they are born until the time that they they CHOOSE to have a child.
One step further, just an idea, have people prove that they can provide for the child and that they are smart enough to raise them.
No longer is the need for people to have 10 kids to mind the farm we have machines to do that.
I know all this seems absurd but in this day and age(except in the case of rape) there really truly is no reason for people to be reproducing without it being something they want.

[clyde]

Oh my god.