Is it over for the unions?

[Riot]

I find Scott Walker to be a publicly proven liar.

Senate Leader Scott Fitzgerald-R goofed up, and admitted publicly on Fox this past weekend it was all about union busting to remove dues, to make it harder for Obama to get re-elected in 2012.

Budget cuts - an excuse and a lie. If the budget was in such a state, why give $140 million in tax cuts and incentives to business first thing after you are elected? Then immediately turn around and cry you need $130 million in concessions from unions for this budget year?

There are budget concerns. Walker doesn't seem to be addressing them in a realistic way. He is using them to achieve political goals.

More interested in what Walker took away, then what he says remains. Good luck with his continuing to try and demonize teachers. Even the police and fire unions he spared from his bill for political reasons are now against him.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

I find Scott Walker to be a publicly proven liar. More interested in what he took away, then what he says remains.

So are Reid,Pelosi, Biden and Obama

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

So are Reid,Pelosi, Biden and Obama

What about Chris Dodd?

The funny part is what I posted was what has been collectively bargained for in the past and just exposing the ridiculousness that has been going on in WI and why this needed to end. Riot take a look at it and tell me that any of those things are necessary to employee good teachers and provide our children with a great education

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

What about Chris Dodd?

The funny part is what I posted was what has been collectively bargained for in the past and just exposing the ridiculousness that has been going on in WI and why this needed to end. Riot take a look at it and tell me that any of those things are necessary to employee good teachers and provide our children with a great education

What Walker this year lists is things he doesn't like that the unions get. That is what collective bargaining is about. If he thinks there should be changes, he needed to bargain for them. But he didn't.

In fact, Walker listed concessions he needed for the budget, as an excuse for busting unions, and the unions immediately gave those concessions to him.

That proved Walker is not about what teachers (and prison guards, librarians, and police and fire) get, it's not about the budget - it is about union-busting for political gain.

He's just trying to cover his ass now with the public.

Believe me: if 120,000 Tea Party members showed up anywhere - let alone 3 weekends in a row in the Wisconsin State Capital - it would be all over the news. The massive like demonstrations by thousands (10,000, 20,000) in Michigan and Indiana have not even getting news coverage. "Liberal bias" mainstream media? Huh?

Hey, you like Walker. Good luck with that.

I see the Republican party clearly now for the corporate whores they've become. They used to have a responsible social consciousness. That's long gone. Carl Rove killed the end of it. I'll not be voting GOP again anytime soon. I almost have more hope for the loons in the Tea Party turning that into a party that is viable and sustained, than the Republican party of today remaining a political force.

You vote, I'll vote, and the country will go where we steer it.

Oh, yeah: except the GOP, state by state, is desperately trying to take away the vote of college students before the 2012 elections. Because the young voted overwhelmingly for Obama, and tend to vote Democratic.

Yeah: the GOP is all about helping our country.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

What Walker this year lists is things he doesn't like that the unions get. That is what collective bargaining is about. If he thinks there should be changes, he needed to bargain for them. But he didn't.

In fact, Walker listed concessions he needed for the budget, as an excuse for busting unions, and the unions immediately gave those concessions to him.

That proved Walker is not about what teachers (and prison guards, librarians, and police and fire) get, it's not about the budget - it is about union-busting for political gain.

He's just trying to cover his ass now with the public.

Believe me: if 120,000 Tea Party members showed up anywhere - let alone 3 weekends in a row in the Wisconsin State Capital - it would be all over the news. The massive like demonstrations by thousands (10,000, 20,000) in Michigan and Indiana have not even getting news coverage. "Liberal bias" mainstream media? Huh?

Hey, you like Walker. Good luck with that.

I see the Republican party clearly now for the corporate whores they've become. They used to have a responsible social consciousness. That's long gone. Carl Rove killed the end of it. I'll not be voting GOP again anytime soon. I almost have more hope for the loons in the Tea Party turning that into a party that is viable and sustained, than the Republican party of today remaining a political force.

You vote, I'll vote, and the country will go where we steer it.

Oh, yeah: except the GOP, state by state, is desperately trying to take away the vote of college students before the 2012 elections. Because the young voted overwhelmingly for Obama, and tend to vote Democratic.

Yeah: the GOP is all about helping our country.

hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!!

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!!

What on earth does that have to do with her arguments? Sexism is not productive. Folks on the net just can't help personalizing every debate, and things quickly devolve into who can yell the loudest or insult the most. I frankly have little use for either political party, both are far to the right of my personal views but often it becomes taking the lesser of two evils.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

What on earth does that have to do with her arguments? Sexism is not productive. Folks on the net just can't help personalizing every debate, and things quickly devolve into who can yell the loudest or insult the most. I frankly have little use for either political party, both are far to the right of my personal views but often it becomes taking the lesser of two evils.

wasn't sexism at all....Riot thinks the Republicans did her wrong.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!!

No, not fury - sadly, more real fear and concern.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

So are Reid,Pelosi, Biden and Obama

Walker is in a little niche all his own over this.