Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Riot

And you're a doody-headed poopy mouth!

(easier to just post like you do, than try and make any sense out of your non-answers)

Do tell - you said that Walker shoving through this bill reminded you of how the PPACA was passed. And my asking you to explain how you remotely think those two things have any similarity makes me a hypocrite how?

Nice work Ms Twistoflex..

You' re a hypocrite because of statements like this -

"You guys all repeat the very same talking points. Well done!"

You seem to think you are some visionary that is thinking outside the box - all you do is spout and quote huffington.


My point on Obamakare and the Repair Bill is that both were done through procedural moves by the parties in charge - you liked it when the DEM did it - but you didn't like it when the GOP did it. So you all cry foul and say it's is illegal and it's union busting and people are going homeless and can't pay their mortgages blablabla & wawawawawawa...

I say too bad - sometimes your the stick and sometimes your the ball.

You lost ! Now get over it and stop wasting more tax payer money and time.

The DEM's should hang their heads in shame just for allowing Michael Moore and Jesse Jackass anywhere near the issue.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Nice work Ms Twistoflex..

You' re a hypocrite because of statements like this -

"You guys all repeat the very same talking points. Well done!"

You seem to think you are some visionary that is thinking outside the box - all you do is spout and quote huffington.

LOL - nice to know you read the Huffington Post on a regular daily basis. Why don't you post some of my "quotes"?

Nope, I'm no visionary. I just see what happens, and form my own opinion. You just really can't stand that it doesn't agree with your own. Seems to make you really angry. You ever read AP? Daily Beast? WSJ?

My point on Obamakare and the Repair Bill is that both were done through procedural moves by the parties in charge - you liked it when the DEM did it - but you didn't like it when the GOP did it.

I've asked you to explain several times what "procedural move" you think was involved in the passing of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. What was "illegal" about that passage? You so far have refused.

Probably because there wasn't one. Just a regular old bill, debated to death over months, passed by voting.

So you all cry foul and say it's is illegal and it's union busting and people are going homeless and can't pay their mortgages blablabla & wawawawawawa...

Yes, the committee meeting appeared illegal. Yes, Walker is only interested in union busting, which has been pretty well proven without a doubt.

The homeless and mortgages stuff must just be your own assumptive prejudices speaking. Sorry, I take no responsibility for the crazy angry voices in your head. Who is "you all" - are you seeing other people? Are you talking to someone other than me? Again, I take no responsibility for what someone else, not me, says. No matter how hard you try to lump "you all" into one big group you can dislike, that you can assume thinks and acts exactly the same, as your fearful imagination tells you.

I say too bad - sometimes your the stick and sometimes your the ball.

Remember that when the Wisconsin state Senate turns Democratic in 5 months.

The DEM's should hang their heads in shame just for allowing Michael Moore and Jesse Jackass anywhere near the issue.

You really seem to have a personal problem with Jesse Jackson and Michael Moore. I only saw that each one was up there for a few hours. And as the Democrats in question were out of state, how where "the Dems" responsible for "allowing" these particular citizens to appear in public places and publicly protest? Which "Dems"? Strange for you to fixate on that. Why would you? You sure seem to assume alot about other groups you don't like.

[Riot]

I hope Walker budgeted for this stuff (like the half-million he cost his county by illegally firing union workers in his last job)

http://www.wkow.com/global/story.asp?s=14225849

MADISON (WKOW) -- Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk and County Board Chair Scott McDonell have directed Dane County attorneys to pursue legal action related to state Senate Republicans passing the budget repair bill without Democrats present.

Falk issued the following statement Thursday:

"In my 35 years of working with the state legislature, I've never seen such a blatant abuse of power and process as what took place in our Capitol Wednesday evening.

"State officials take an oath to uphold the law and regardless of their zeal to achieve political means, they don't get to chose what laws they'll follow and when.

"This morning, Chair McDonell and I directed our county attorneys to take legal action today to ensure the laws and rules followed by public policymakers in this state for generations are followed."

http://www.cityofmadison.com/mayor/b...dex.cfm?Id=472

This Will Not Stand
March 10, 2011 9:22 AM
by Madison Mayor Dave Cieslewicz

Madison's City Attorney Mike May believes that the action taken last night by Senate Republicans to pass union busting provisions of the budget repair bill was in violation of the state's open meetings law because it was not properly noticed. Their action may also have involved fiscal matters that still require a higher quorum than was present without Senate Democrats.

I've asked Mike to join any action he deems appropriate in the courts this morning to reverse the Senate's illegal action.

To quote Mike's email to alders and I this morning:

"The Office of the City Attorney (in compliance with State law) insists on 24 hours notice for any meeting, or adding any matter to an agenda, unless there is no way that 24 hours notice could have been given. Mere convenience or inadvertence is insufficient to meet the less than 24-hour notice. This is necessary to be in compliance with the Open Meetings Law. It is an essential element of government in Wisconsin.

"Today's action does not meet that test. It does not comply with Wisconsin Law.

"The action taken today will be struck down if challenged in court.

"Sec. 19.84(3), Stats.:

"'Public notice of every meeting of a governmental body shall be given at least 24 hours prior to the commencement of such meeting, unless for good cause such notice is impossible or impractical, in which case shorter notice may be given, but in no case may the notice be provided less than 2 hours in advance of the meeting.'

"Sec. 19.97(3), Stats.:

"'Any action taken at a meeting of a governmental body in violation of this subchapter is voidable ...'

"This aggression will not stand. If challenged in court, the action today would likely be voided as illegal."

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - nice to know you read the Huffington Post on a regular daily basis. Why don't you post some of my "quotes"?

Nope, I'm no visionary. I just see what happens, and form my own opinion. You just really can't stand that it doesn't agree with your own. Seems to make you really angry. You ever read AP? Daily Beast? WSJ?

Wow did you write that while looking in the mirror?


I've asked you to explain several times what "procedural move" you think was involved in the passing of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. What was "illegal" about that passage? You so far have refused.

Probably because there wasn't one. Just a regular old bill, debated to death over months, passed by voting.

Last I knew I wasn't using you as a measure to how to respond. I think I made my point to those that care to listen. Maybe you would care to tell us how they don't differ and please be specific

Yes, the committee meeting appeared illegal. Yes, Walker is only interested in union busting, which has been pretty well proven without a doubt.

Of course - you would it's part of the huffy talking points. Maybe from your myopic view it's proven - but others differ with your opinion. Can you site specific examples of the proof that Walker lied and that his goal was union busting

The homeless and mortgages stuff must just be your own assumptive prejudices speaking. Sorry, I take no responsibility for the crazy angry voices in your head. Who is "you all" - are you seeing other people? Are you talking to someone other than me? Again, I take no responsibility for what someone else, not me, says. No matter how hard you try to lump "you all" into one big group you can dislike, that you can assume thinks and acts exactly the same, as your fearful imagination tells you.

It's funny you claim independence yet all you do is post huffy points. I guess you didn't hear your man Jesse's speech about jobs and homeless - you better start listening to him - he is one of your leaders. But if you don't agree with him please site specific examples of where and how you differ

Remember that when the Wisconsin state Senate turns Democratic in 5 months.

Hey if it does - that's democracy in action . But if Walker's plan works and jobs are created - he'll be a hero.

You really seem to have a personal problem with Jesse Jackson and Michael Moore. I only saw that each one was up there for a few hours. And as the Democrats in question were out of state, how where "the Dems" responsible for "allowing" these particular citizens to appear in public places and publicly protest? Which "Dems"? Strange for you to fixate on that. Why would you? You sure seem to assume alot about other groups you don't like.

You think the DEM's leaving their post and hiding was a good thing? and the ones in hiding were the ones calling the shots?


I don't know Michael & Jesse personally but as far as their political views they appear to align with yours and if not maybe you could explain how they differ


Ror!! don't worry I will grade on a curve
Riot =

[joeydb]

Signed, sealed, delivered. The bill is passed. Now time to get on with budgetary reform in Wisconsin.

[Danzig]

i'm not familiar with this fellow, but they ran this article in the local paper-so i googled it, and here's the article... had stuff in it i hadn't seen mentioned before, either in the discussion here or elsewhere.. thought i'd post it. of course i'll probably hear this guy is a whack job or something..if so, i'll know better next time.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ket-rich-lowry

an excerpt:

Even if Walker prevails, Wisconsin will allow more wide-ranging collective bargaining than these states.

Not to mention the federal government. Obama may lecture Walker about union rights, but he can go straight to Congress with a highly political proposal to freeze the pay of federal workers because they can’t collectively bargain for wages or benefits.

(this is a part that intrigued me) No, the most important measure at stake in Wisconsin is the governor’s proposal for the state to stop deducting union dues from the paychecks of state workers. This practice essentially wields the taxing power of the government on behalf of the institutional interests of the unions. It makes the government an arm of the public-sector unions. It is a priceless favor.


and further down:

When Indiana governor Mitch Daniels ended collective bargaining and the automatic collection of dues in 2005, the number of members paying dues plummeted by roughly 90 percent.


now, is this a major issue? i could see where it could be. if dues aren't automatic, but become voluntary, perhaps the unions would find they aren't quite so popular, based on indiana.....no wonder the union is so upset! can you imagine your income dropping 90%??

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm not familiar with this fellow, but they ran this article in the local paper-so i googled it, and here's the article... had stuff in it i hadn't seen mentioned before, either in the discussion here or elsewhere.. thought i'd post it. of course i'll probably hear this guy is a whack job or something..if so, i'll know better next time.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ket-rich-lowry

an excerpt:

Even if Walker prevails, Wisconsin will allow more wide-ranging collective bargaining than these states.

Not to mention the federal government. Obama may lecture Walker about union rights, but he can go straight to Congress with a highly political proposal to freeze the pay of federal workers because they can’t collectively bargain for wages or benefits.

(this is a part that intrigued me) No, the most important measure at stake in Wisconsin is the governor’s proposal for the state to stop deducting union dues from the paychecks of state workers. This practice essentially wields the taxing power of the government on behalf of the institutional interests of the unions. It makes the government an arm of the public-sector unions. It is a priceless favor.


and further down:

When Indiana governor Mitch Daniels ended collective bargaining and the automatic collection of dues in 2005, the number of members paying dues plummeted by roughly 90 percent.


now, is this a major issue? i could see where it could be. if dues aren't automatic, but become voluntary, perhaps the unions would find they aren't quite so popular, based on indiana.....no wonder the union is so upset! can you imagine your income dropping 90%??

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm not familiar with this fellow, but they ran this article in the local paper-so i googled it, and here's the article... had stuff in it i hadn't seen mentioned before, either in the discussion here or elsewhere.. thought i'd post it. of course i'll probably hear this guy is a whack job or something..if so, i'll know better next time.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ket-rich-lowry

an excerpt:

Even if Walker prevails, Wisconsin will allow more wide-ranging collective bargaining than these states.

Not to mention the federal government. Obama may lecture Walker about union rights, but he can go straight to Congress with a highly political proposal to freeze the pay of federal workers because they can’t collectively bargain for wages or benefits.

(this is a part that intrigued me) No, the most important measure at stake in Wisconsin is the governor’s proposal for the state to stop deducting union dues from the paychecks of state workers. This practice essentially wields the taxing power of the government on behalf of the institutional interests of the unions. It makes the government an arm of the public-sector unions. It is a priceless favor.


and further down:

When Indiana governor Mitch Daniels ended collective bargaining and the automatic collection of dues in 2005, the number of members paying dues plummeted by roughly 90 percent.


now, is this a major issue? i could see where it could be. if dues aren't automatic, but become voluntary, perhaps the unions would find they aren't quite so popular, based on indiana.....no wonder the union is so upset! can you imagine your income dropping 90%??

This is exactly the reason why the democrats have been fighting this so hard. They have been funding their campaigns thru required union dues for years. Riot will claim that the Koch brothers are doing the same for Walker, however the fact is the Koch brothers use their own $ and not the mandated union dues of the teachers to fund their campaigns. The Koch brothers also contributed less than $50k towards Walker's campaign whereas the teachers union contributed $1.57 million to 4 democrats.

In the bill Walker removed the residency restrictions for Milw city workers (police, fire fighters, etc) and MPS teachers. In the past they were required to live in the city of Milwaukee. Now they are not. Imagine that the republicans giving freedoms back to the people and allowing them to choose where they want to live. Democrats including Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett are furious over this and are totally against giving workers the freedom to live where they want, but again they know what is best for the workers. Why give them a choice?

[Danzig]

i figured the union was so adamant about the changes because they don't want to lose union membership, thus losing money. but when i read that article today...well, it sure put a new spin on things. why the dems were so against it-it's not budgetary, except where their campaigns are concerned apparently.

it also makes me wonder about the supreme court ruling regarding companies donating to campaigns....some people were so against that ruling-but how many are perfectly ok with unions donating tons of dough? aren't unions really a business? interesting stuff.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Signed, sealed, delivered. The bill is passed. Now time to get on with budgetary reform in Wisconsin.

Whoops. Nope. Tied up in the courts .... which makes the election, in 3 weeks, of Wisconsin Supreme Court judges extremely important.

Those 120,000 people in Wisconsin this past weekend seem to be voting for the underdog Democrat, rather than the 12-year incumbent Republican. We'll see what happens!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Ror!! don't worry I will grade on a curve
Riot =

Well, if any of what you said made much sense, or actually answered questions posed, we could go there. But I had a lovely relaxing weekend, so will leave you to your own brand of crazy. Ror!!

[Riot]

Judge puts a restraining order on the Walker bill. Does not mean it's overturned, just means enough evidence for violation of the law during passage (violation of open meetings act) to hear the case. The bill was to be published, thus become law, March 25. The restraining order puts that on hold until the case is decided.

[richard]

Public unions should be banned. This is just another of countless examples.

[wiphan]

On Thursday, unions representing the Wisconsin Professional Police Association; the Professional Fire Fighters of Wisconsin; the International Association of Fire Fighters Local 311; Madison Teachers Inc.; Green Bay Education Association; Dane County Deputy Sheriff's Association; and the Madison Professional Police Officers Association said it would boycott M&I Bank if the bank does not begin publicly opposing Gov. Scott Walker's efforts to curtail collective bargaining for public workers.
On Friday, Kwik Trip was added.
In the letter, the groups said the boycott would begin Thursday, March 17, if the bank and Kwik Trip don't oppose Walker.
Jim Palmer, executive director of the Wisconsin Professional Police Association, said Friday the companies were targeted for either supporting Walker directly, or its executives supported Walker's campaign, or because the companies are members of Wisconsin Manufacturers & Commerce, a pro-business group that supported the governor, or all three.

This just shows the union thugs at their best and the scare tactics that they are using. Again it is all about the kids and doing what is right to educate the children properly.

Jim Palmer is so dumb that he can't even figure out that the employees of Kwik Trip actually contributed more to democrats than republicans.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by geeker2

The DEM's should hang their heads in shame just for allowing Michael Moore and Jesse Jackass anywhere near the issue.

Dems should hang their head for not beating this ass hole last November. They knew very well he's an a hole, and they deserve the ass kicking they are getting. Yea, he didn't say he was gunna do this, but what did you expect the a hole to do? He's got a majority in both bodies. He's gunna do everything in his power to have two types of people in Wisconsin (have, have nots.) This is what they do (no middle.) They don't like a 3 class system, and this is what happens when you vote for someone with a (R.) Duh. I don't understand why people are demonstrating. Damn it. Let them show you what happens when Republicans have their way. They are (by nature) extreme people. Let them show that. Evidently, people need a reminder.