Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

the astute political commentator gives us her best lie yet?....and this is your proof,.Riot???....oh dear

Excuse me? You are not calling me a liar, I hope? GFY, Timmi. How dare you. I have never posted something deliberately that I knew was untrue. If I post something that's factually wrong, I've always admitted it and changed it (did that once in this thread, in fact)

I don't know what Rachel Maddow said, I don't watch her show, and I'm not responsible for what she says. If you are talking about Walkers budget surplus, yes, indeed, he did have one.

Try reading here, smartazz: http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/Misc/...os&Darling.pdf And then try reading more than the top line of what you posted from Politifact, so you can see what it actually refers to. Then try reading the rebuttal of that Politifact claim, so you can see it's not as simplistic as you apparently think it is, here http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...rachel-maddow/

By the way, where's your budget plan for Wisconsin? C'mon, Timmi - you're really good at jumping in threads and calling names. You demanded I post a budget. You call me a liar about the Wisconsin budget? Do you have anything of substance to offer on the subject? Show us your vast knowledge of the events in Wisconsin, Timmi and post your own budget suggestions. Or are you just a thread troll?

[dellinger63]

A Wisconsin judge has ordered pro-union protesters to be removed from the state Capitol.

Dane County Circuit Judge John Albert ruled Thursday night that protesters remaining in the building should be immediately removed — along with any unauthorized materials such as sleeping bags and signs taped to the Capitol walls.

http://www.gazettextra.com/weblogs/l...s-out-capitol/

I'd like to see the homeless all over the nation protest their 'homelessness' by setting up in Fed buildings that are empty and heated/cooled at night.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

A Wisconsin judge has ordered pro-union protesters to be removed from the state Capitol.

Dane County Circuit Judge John Albert ruled Thursday night that protesters remaining in the building should be immediately removed — along with any unauthorized materials such as sleeping bags and signs taped to the Capitol walls.

http://www.gazettextra.com/weblogs/l...s-out-capitol/

I'd like to see the homeless all over the nation protest their 'homelessness' by setting up in Fed buildings that are empty and heated/cooled at night.

Damge to the capital is estimated around $5 million some of which can never be fixed.
Way to use tape that wrecks marble. You got your point across now they should have to pay for it

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Damge to the capital is estimated around $5 million some of which can never be fixed.
Way to use tape that wrecks marble. You got your point across now they should have to pay for it

Simple have the teachers' pension fund pay for it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Damge to the capital is estimated around $5 million some of which can never be fixed.
Way to use tape that wrecks marble. You got your point across now they should have to pay for it

Amazingly, that number is being thrown around, with no factual support. The Democratic assemblymen who are in the capital, and have been there, are trying to find out how that number was arrived upon, as they haven't seen that damage during the week. The Republicans just started saying it.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Amazingly, that number is being thrown around, with no factual support. The Democratic assemblymen who are in the capital, and have been there, are trying to find out how that number was arrived upon, as they haven't seen that damage during the week. The Republicans just started saying it.

http://www.fox6now.com/news/witi-201...,5141893.story

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

http://www.fox6now.com/news/witi-201...,5141893.story

That's funny. When you look at the photos today, most of that stuff is already gone.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Dane County Circuit Judge John Albert ruled Thursday night that protesters remaining in the building should be immediately removed — along with any unauthorized materials such as sleeping bags and signs taped to the Capitol walls.

Judge Albert also ruled at the same time that the State of Wisconsin is in contempt for not allowing the protestors access as he previously ordered over the past day. Continuing the next line of your story:

The judge also ruled that the state violated constitutional protections for free speech and assembly by restricting access to the building. He ordered the administration to re-open the building to the general public by 8 a.m. Monday, allowing for a permitting process limiting the times and places where rallies can be held.

The protesters were allowed back in 8:00am this am. Per Judge Albert, they are to be allowed in any time there is business in the capital. They do not have to be allowed in overnight if the capital is closed. The Democratic assemblymen are going to start holding overnight office hours so people can be allowed in 24 hours a day.

Yesterday, three of the Assemblymen moved their desks outside, before Albert's ruling, so they could meet with their constituents.

Gov. Scott Walker better be careful if he wants to win that recall election: two months in office, and already ethics violation complaints, union bargaining complaints filed, caught lying to Senate Democrats, he's violated his citizens rights of free speech and assembly, and every single poll of his voters shows they do not agree with his stripping collective bargaining rights from state employees. Being a dictator isn't working out very well for him.

Yesterday, despite Walker's threats of forcable detainment, the 14 Democratic Senators are still refusing to return until Walker removes the collective bargaining rights strip from the current "emergency" budget repair bill, and places it in the general budget bill.

Because Walker has already lied to the Democrats about compromise (the Koch tape), they will not return until it's actually done and removed from the bill to be voted upon.

Then removing collective bargaining rights can be subject to needed public hearings and calmly debated in the next three months with the rest of the general budget.

Walker so far has refused. Some of the other Republican Senators are fine with that offered compromise, and are becoming increasingly uncomfortable with Walker's stubborness in the face of overwhelming disapproval by the public, the concessions offered by the unions, and the concessions offered by the Democratic Senators. Dictators aren't popular in America.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Excuse me? You are not calling me a liar, I hope? GFY, Timmi. How dare you. I have never posted something deliberately that I knew was untrue. If I post something that's factually wrong, I've always admitted it and changed it (did that once in this thread, in fact)

I don't know what Rachel Maddow said, I don't watch her show, and I'm not responsible for what she says. If you are talking about Walkers budget surplus, yes, indeed, he did have one.

Try reading here, smartazz: http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/Misc/...os&Darling.pdf And then try reading more than the top line of what you posted from Politifact, so you can see what it actually refers to. Then try reading the rebuttal of that Politifact claim, so you can see it's not as simplistic as you apparently think it is, here http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...rachel-maddow/

By the way, where's your budget plan for Wisconsin? C'mon, Timmi - you're really good at jumping in threads and calling names. You demanded I post a budget. You call me a liar about the Wisconsin budget? Do you have anything of substance to offer on the subject? Show us your vast knowledge of the events in Wisconsin, Timmi and post your own budget suggestions. Or are you just a thread troll?

You have been parading around, yapping about this "surplus" when its FALSE!
I never said I had a proposal, I just wanted you to stop building your supposed platform on a lie! I was calling Maddow a liar. Take a Midol, for Gods sake!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

You have been parading around, yapping about this "surplus" when its FALSE!
I never said I had a proposal, I just wanted you to stop building your supposed platform on a lie! I was calling Maddow a liar. Take a Midol, for Gods sake!

False? No. Really, Timmi, you should investigate what you post before you make yourself look uninformed. I'd go back and read what I posted about that in the first answer to you, if I were you. Here it is again: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...rachel-maddow/

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

False? No. Really, Timmi, you should investigate what you post before you make yourself look uninformed. I'd go back and read what I posted about that in the first answer to you, if I were you. Here it is again: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...rachel-maddow/

You are one nutty lady! Did you bother to read Bill Adairs reply to Maddows producer! Talking about comportment...I've never "GFY" to you on any subject.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

You are one nutty lady! Did you bother to read Bill Adairs reply to Maddows producer! Talking about comportment...I've never "GFY" to you on any subject.

Did you bother to read where Politifact expanded upon, and walked back, their rating, narrowing it to just the presentation? Not the "facts".

[Riot]

Whoops .... it was all sort of a ... guesstimate to impress a judge ...

State officials back off Capitol damage claim

By Jason Stein and Sharif Durhams of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
March 4, 2011 11:36 a.m.

Madison — State officials charged with overseeing the state Capitol are now backing away from their estimate that demonstrators did more than $7 million in damage to the building.

"I think that's more of a worst-case scenario," said Jeff Plale, the former Democratic state senator who is now the state facilities administrator. "There are other estimates."

Touring the Capitol Friday morning with state architect Dan Stephans, Plale said he had not immediately observed any damage from demonstrations over Gov. Scott Walker's budget-repair bill, though the pair was just starting their tour.

Plale said that he didn't believe the state had had any experienced contractor provide the quote on the damages.

Officials said in Dane County court Thursday that the damage could come from tape used for posting fliers and papers and other materials.

Workers were already beginning to remove those Friday. In one second-floor hallway at least, a Journal Sentinel reporter could see no damage to the marble where the tape had been removed.

In court Thursday, officials with the Walker administration said that damage from the demonstration to the marble inside and outside the Capitol would cost an estimated $7.5 million: $6 million for damage inside, $1 million for damage outside and $500,000 for additional expenses. State officials made the claim as they were arguing their case for restricting access to the statehouse.

A Dane County judge ruled later that day that the Capitol must be opened to the public but that protesters camping out in the building also had to be removed. The building is now being opened up to the public, though there are still some restrictions and high security.

In court, the state cited concerns about the statehouse expressed by Michele Curran, an architectural historian with the National Park Service who coordinates national historic landmarks in Wisconsin.

In an interview Thursday, Curran said that certain kinds of tape can leave lasting residues on the marble and wood surfaces of the Capitol if the tape is not removed properly.

Stephans added Friday that the Capitol has more than 40 kinds of marble and that the chemistry of those stones and of different kinds of tape can interact differently. The longer the tape remains in place, the greater the chance for some effect, he said.

But Curran said she didn't know how the state had arrived at its damage figures. She said only a professional cleaning service experienced in such work and familiar with the situation in the Capitol could accurately estimate cleanup costs. But Plale said Friday he wasn't aware of the state receiving any such estimate yet.

Many of the papers and banners posted in the statehouse were put up using painter's tape, which is employed to minimize effects on walls. Stephans said Friday he had ordered the tape sent to the Capitol during the demonstrations to minimize effects on the building.

State Rep. Brett Hulsey (D-Madison) Thursday questioned the damage figure.

"That's a lot of bottles of Formula 409," he said.

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[AeWingnut]

democrats against democracy unite



Far Left protester Patrick J. Knauf, 43, of Eau Claire was arrested on Wednesday for the violation of making a bomb scare under state statute 947.015.

He was released on a $3,000 signature bond.

On Wednesday a bomb threat was made at an aviation business in Eau Claire just hours after Governor Scott Walker spoke there. Police brought in a man who was protesting this week against the Republican governor.
The Pierce County Herald reported:

An investigation continues into a bomb threat made this week at an aviation business in Eau Claire, just hours after Governor Scott Walker held a news conference there.

Authorities said a 43-year-old Eau Claire man allegedly called in a threat to Heartland Aviation on Wednesday evening. The facility is next to the Chippewa Valley Regional Airport in Eau Claire. The man is free on a signature bond. No charges have been filed yet, but the man is due back in Chippewa County Circuit Court on April 19th.

Investigators said the man took part in public demonstrations at the airport on Monday and Wednesday. His home was searched yesterday, and police are checking phone records and interviewing people. Eau Claire Police have asked for tips with more information.

Amazing!
A bomb threat was called in on a Walker rally and the media doesn’t report on it?
Unbelievable.