New Low From CDI/CRC Mgmt (Update: Restriction lifted)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by OTM Al

Not at the drop of a hat, but it can be done and in a not so long amount of time. And that's precisely because they aren't owned by CDI and therefore cannot be held hostage. The only reason they stay at Calder is because they want to stay at Calder. The terms of staying there just changed (or maybe not) but they still have a choice. They are not being forced to do anything. They do what they do by choice.

Except they are being forced by Calder to not run or risk the possibility of not getting stalls back. That is more or less blackmail. Can the horseman choose to leave? Yes obviously. But that isn't the question here. It is Calder/CDI flippantly using the horseman as a bargaining chip to their detriment regardless of how the end game plays out.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Except they are being forced by Calder to not run or risk the possibility of not getting stalls back. That is more or less blackmail. Can the horseman choose to leave? Yes obviously. But that isn't the question here. It is Calder/CDI flippantly using the horseman as a bargaining chip to their detriment regardless of how the end game plays out.

Does the fear of losing stalls running horses away always enter into the mind of a trainer? Can a trainer with 10 stalls at Belmont just run to Philly all the time and run in a 16k claimer without NYRA having a talk with him/her?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Does the fear of losing stalls running horses away always enter into the mind of a trainer? Can a trainer with 10 stalls at Belmont just run to Philly all the time and run in a 16k claimer without NYRA having a talk with him/her?

The difference being that Calder isnt offering any races presently. I'm sure if NYRA shut down for 3 months they wouldnt have an issue with shipping to Philly Park during the downtime.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The difference being that Calder isnt offering any races presently. I'm sure if NYRA shut down for 3 months they wouldnt have an issue with shipping to Philly Park during the downtime.

I agree it sucks what do you want for free? you want freedom it costs so go to Palm Meadows/Payson's and rent space. It sucks but it is well within there rights if horseman were aligned they would enter when Calder opens and just repeatly scratch once a week

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I agree it sucks what do you want for free? you want freedom it costs so go to Palm Meadows/Payson's and rent space. It sucks but it is well within there rights if horseman were aligned they would enter when Calder opens and just repeatly scratch once a week

But it isnt free. Horseman dont have to pay stall rent but if Calder closes the backside or charges stall rent their tax rate goes up something like 5 times what it is now. So the price of keeping the backside open is far less than the price of not having it open.

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

But it isnt free. Horseman dont have to pay stall rent but if Calder closes the backside or charges stall rent their tax rate goes up something like 5 times what it is now. So the price of keeping the backside open is far less than the price of not having it open.

So Calder should continue to subsidize trainers and owners that are using it's free stalls to fill races at GP after GP essentailly declred war on them? Especially when Calder's plan is to start racing year round in response to GP? For once it may be time for government to step in on this one and reregulate dates since the tracks couldn't behave on their own, but surely that will come at a price too.

[Alan07]

Gulfstream amends racing dates request
Officials from Gulfstream Park responded Wednesday to the escalating dispute with Calder Racecourse by amending their racing dates request – applying to open on Nov. 26, one week earlier than originally proposed – and creating extra stalls for horses who ship to race from Calder.

The moves comes one day after Calder management informed their horsemen that effective Saturday any horse leaving the Calder grounds to race would not be allowed to return without permission from racing secretary Mike Anifantis. The lone exception would be for horses racing in graded stakes, and even those horses would not be allowed to return to Calder until the day after they race.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by OTM Al

So Calder should continue to subsidize trainers and owners that are using it's free stalls to fill races at GP after GP essentailly declred war on them? Especially when Calder's plan is to start racing year round in response to GP? For once it may be time for government to step in on this one and reregulate dates since the tracks couldn't behave on their own, but surely that will come at a price too.

Did you miss the point about a lower tax rate to keep the backside open? Horseman are running at GP because they are open.The dispute is over future dates, not current dates. The idea that CDI keeps the backside open free of charge to assist owners and trainers is simply not true. Did you ever wonder why they don't charge stall rent when they aren't open like they do at CD? Just because Calder and GP are having a dispute about dates doesnt make essentially shutting down the business of the trainers and owners at Calder ok.