Knicks Get Melo: Did they give up too much?

[Cannon Shell]

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[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

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Quoting a liberal to make your point? You are convinced.

I'm not a Knick fan, but if I were, I'd be ambivalent on the deal. Carmelo is a tremendous talent and he/Amare will be the second-best one-two punch in the NBA. But there really isn't much beyond that on the team now. Billups is on the way down, Fields is a roleplayer and Shawne Williams and Turiaf are one-trick ponies. I can't even name any other players on the team.

In order for this trade to be a long-term positive rather than another Isiah-esque shortsighted headline grab, the Knicks will have to continue to be ultra-aggressive in free agency. People may think this means grabbing Chris Paul or Deron Williams, which may indeed happen, but they also need to amass some reliable MLE-type guys this offseason to make it more than a two-man team.

In the end, I think as long as D'Antoni is the coach, this team isn't winning a championship. He's an offensive genius, but his laissez-faire attitude towards defense just isn't conducive to the type of basketball that gets to and wins NBA Finals. I can't recall a team winning a championship in the NBA by playing 120-115 shootouts every game.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Quoting a liberal to make your point? You are convinced.

I'm not a Knick fan, but if I were, I'd be ambivalent on the deal. Carmelo is a tremendous talent and he/Amare will be the second-best one-two punch in the NBA. But there really isn't much beyond that on the team now. Billups is on the way down, Fields is a roleplayer and Shawne Williams and Turiaf are one-trick ponies. I can't even name any other players on the team.

In order for this trade to be a long-term positive rather than another Isiah-esque shortsighted headline grab, the Knicks will have to continue to be ultra-aggressive in free agency. People may think this means grabbing Chris Paul or Deron Williams, which may indeed happen, but they also need to amass some reliable MLE-type guys this offseason to make it more than a two-man team.

In the end, I think as long as D'Antoni is the coach, this team isn't winning a championship. He's an offensive genius, but his laissez-faire attitude towards defense just isn't conducive to the type of basketball that gets to and wins NBA Finals. I can't recall a team winning a championship in the NBA by playing 120-115 shootouts every game.

He is a smart liberal who makes sense. Not too many of those to follow.

Anthony is a tremendous scorer but isnt a complete player and IMO they have left too many holes to fill and not enough maneuvering room to get real help. The Chris Paul/Deron Williams thing just isnt going to happen unless everyone agrees to take a lot less money and isnt that the main reason that Anthony and Amare are in NY? Again getting Anthony is great but considering the circumstances I think they gave up far more than they needed to and probably as Silver said have "doomed" themselves into being a 50 win team that probably wont ever win a title. Kind of like a Dallas Mavs of the East.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

In the end, I think as long as D'Antoni is the coach, this team isn't winning a championship. He's an offensive genius, but his laissez-faire attitude towards defense just isn't conducive to the type of basketball that gets to and wins NBA Finals. I can't recall a team winning a championship in the NBA by playing 120-115 shootouts every game.

I think this is really what it all comes down to. This team is going to score, but Amare plays little defense and Melo plays less. Even if they add a Paul or Williams next year they aren't going to outscore the better teams in the east and they certainly aren't going to be able to keep up defensively.

Now that Carmelo Watch is over how about Rose Watch? Come on ESPN lets get it!@