Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

I love politics via technology in 2011

Looks like the citizens of Wisconsin are not going anywhere, and there's Twitter rumors that Walker has sent the State Police out to try and find a Democrat (allegedly holed up at Henrici's in Rockford) to bring them back to the State House tomorrow, so they can have a vote.

Walker deliberately left the cops and firemen out of the union busting, and they have turned on him, siding with the demonstrators and protesting with them while off duty.

Teachers in WI some of poorest paid in nation: 49th in starting pay, only 26th with experience.

Meanwhile, 3,000 showed up today in Ohio, where they are trying to union-bust, too.

Repubs trying to union bust so they can control voter turnout and financial contributions to 2012 election.

You never cease to amaze me. Stay out of my state! Scott Walker is the best thing that has happened to WI and these changes need to happen(BTW- this is just the start). If only you had a clue of what he is dealing with from our lovely Gov Doyle. They can still collectively bargain for salaries. They have to contribute 5.8% of their pay to their pension and pay 12% of the total health insurance premium. Those are huge concessions. Please. I would be elated if my employer paid me those benefits. The only reason this is an issue is that the teachers are not going to be required to be part of the union. Last I checked having a choice is not necessarily a bad thing. The Walker supporters will show up tomorrow (because they actually work for a living) while most of the teachers and union workers will go home because it will be Sat (their day off). I have great respect for the government workers that showed up for work and feel that the dems are making themselves look like complete idiots. Imagine if the Republicans left the country when the OBAMACARE health plan was being debated?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

You never cease to amaze me. Stay out of my state!

"Your state" is the front page story on all American news outlets, some internationals, and what is happening there is related to what is happening in Ohio, Florida, etc. and Washington.

Nobody has to "stay out of your state" and ignore the story.

Scott Walker is the best thing that has happened to WI and these changes need to happen(BTW- this is just the start). If only you had a clue of what he is dealing with from our lovely Gov Doyle. They can still collectively bargain for salaries.

But not for what their current contracts say they can. All their collective bargaining rights are being eliminated, except being able to bargain base pay only and only up to the consumer price index. That is virtually nothing. Pennies.

First: Walker is arbitrarily cutting benefits, without sitting down and talking to the Unions about what they can give or sacrifice. That's his right, I suppose. Although I would think he'd bargain, because during his campaign he said he'd work with unions, and now he's not. He's a liar, but most politicians are. Nothing wrong with cutting benefits when there is a deficit, and the unions said they are willing to work with him. Why Walker is ignoring that is a puzzlement. This isn't much of an issue, really.

Walker did sneak this bill in last Friday, unannounced, and literally try to sneak it through with little debate. Why? The second reason, below:

Second: the most important thing, the thing completely unrelated to any "deficit" busting, and why 30,000 are in the capital, is Walkers sneaky plan for elimination of collective bargaining. That's straight up Union busting, plain and simple. That has zero to do with any deficit. Nothing at all.

Why is Walker trying to bust up the unions? Because the unions were the three biggest contributors to the Democratic party the last election cycle. The Republican Governors Association has instructed the Govs to try and union-bust in 2011, prior to the next election cycle, to eliminate Democratic financing in the top ten corporate contributors to candidate financing (the other 7 are private Republican donating corporations) Control the money, control the election outcomes.

Don't you find it funny Walker has exempted police and fire from his union-busting? Why police and fire, but not prison guards? Because those are the two unions that contributed to his campaign. It's just political campaign payback.

Except the off-duty police and fire unions are siding with the unions under attack.

There is far more to this story than Wisconsin's deficit. It's about the organized Republican attempt to union-bust across every state they can before 2012. And that is why this story is getting detailed national attention.

And by the way? Many of the Green Bay Packers - union men - are supporting the teachers.

[dellinger63]

They are busing union support up from Chicago. Jesse Jackson & Co. etc.

This will get ugly tomorrow and watch which side is peaceful.

On Wisconsin!

Hopefully other States will pick up on uncle mo and join in.

[AeWingnut]

[Riot]

If you are worried about Wisconsin's deficit, is anybody angry that Walkers' special session just gave new tax breaks to corporations, causing $120 million in unfunded new deficit from 2011 to 2013?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

They are busing union support up from Chicago. Jesse Jackson & Co. etc.

And Tea Partiers from other states, with Andrew Breitbach.

So far the Police Chief has complimented the protestors on being so calm and well-behaved. We'll see what happens when outsiders join in, yes.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

And Tea Partiers from other states, with Andrew Breitbach.

So far the Police Chief has complimented the protestors on being so calm and well-behaved. We'll see what happens when outsiders join in, yes.

UMad campus is liberal but violent they are not. If anything bad occurs tomorrow it will be the outsiders.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

UMad campus is liberal but violent they are not. If anything bad occurs tomorrow it will be the outsiders.

I don't see any need for outsiders to physically be there.

Update: Fox says Jesse Jackson has already been there all day today. No problems.

HuffPost reporting:

Today 6:45 PM Action-Packed Assembly
Amanda Terkel reports from the ground in Madison:

There was big action on the Assembly side Friday night. Assembly Republicans voted to move forward on the Walker proposal -- even though not a single Assembly Democrat was present. (Unlike the state House, Republicans don't need Democrats to reach a quorum.)

Democrats, meanwhile, drafted amendments and were briefed by the non-partisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau. They promised to come to floor at 5:00 p.m.

However, Republicans passed the bill beyond the "amenable stage" just a few minutes before -- without any Democrats. One Republican said he assumed Democrats weren't going to show up.

Several Democrats then took to the floor and delivered impassioned speeches condemning what took place.

The Republican Assembly Speaker eventually admitted that what they did was wrong, and went back to the "amenable stage." They will reconvene on Tuesday.

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The teacher unions are the biggest racket in history. Good teachers should want no part of it. It celebrates andf promotes mediocrity while doing zero to reward excellence. Unions were invented to protect from unsafe working conditions, police and firefighters require this protection, teachers, come on. They are paid poorly because they work 180 days a year. If they want more pay they should get jobs that require you to work 260 days a year like the rest of us, not hold the taxpayers hostage.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Your state" is the front page story on all American news outlets, some internationals, and what is happening there is related to what is happening in Ohio, Florida, etc. and Washington.

Nobody has to "stay out of your state" and ignore the story.


you don't live here, you don't vote here and you don't pay taxes here, worry about your own state

But not for what their current contracts say they can. All their collective bargaining rights are being eliminated, except being able to bargain base pay only and only up to the consumer price index. That is virtually nothing. Pennies.

First: Walker is arbitrarily cutting benefits, without sitting down and talking to the Unions about what they can give or sacrifice. That's his right, I suppose. Although I would think he'd bargain, because during his campaign he said he'd work with unions, and now he's not. He's a liar, but most politicians are. Nothing wrong with cutting benefits when there is a deficit, and the unions said they are willing to work with him. Why Walker is ignoring that is a puzzlement. This isn't much of an issue, really.



"Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters."

Can you guess if this was a republican or a democratic quote.


Walker did sneak this bill in last Friday, unannounced, and literally try to sneak it through with little debate. Why? The second reason, below:


Nothing was snuck thru. Walker campaigned on this, did this in Milwaukee to the best of his ability and spoke about it after elected and in his inagural speech. If you are surprised by this one you are an idiot or 2 you don't live here and have no clue

Second: the most important thing, the thing completely unrelated to any "deficit" busting, and why 30,000 are in the capital, is Walkers sneaky plan for elimination of collective bargaining. That's straight up Union busting, plain and simple. That has zero to do with any deficit. Nothing at all.

Why is Walker trying to bust up the unions? Because the unions were the three biggest contributors to the Democratic party the last election cycle. The Republican Governors Association has instructed the Govs to try and union-bust in 2011, prior to the next election cycle, to eliminate Democratic financing in the top ten corporate contributors to candidate financing (the other 7 are private Republican donating corporations) Control the money, control the election outcomes.

Don't you find it funny Walker has exempted police and fire from his union-busting? Why police and fire, but not prison guards? Because those are the two unions that contributed to his campaign. It's just political campaign payback.


Except the off-duty police and fire unions are siding with the unions under attack.
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again false. not all of those unions backed walker. Those unions also affect public safety. Teachers do not


And by the way? Many of the Green Bay Packers - union men - are supporting the teachers.

I love the packers but when it comes to politics and real issues athletes and movie stars and the last people I want advice from. They are not in the same reality that most working class tax payers are.