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Old 02-08-2011, 12:27 PM
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Hard to leave Curlin off the list both 3 year old and older 2000-2009.
Hard to put him on IMO.
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Old 02-08-2011, 01:45 PM
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Hard to put him on IMO.
I like the list here but Curlin had a nice career

He was named Horse of the Year in 2007 and 2008, and was also Champion 3-year-old in 2007 and Champion Older Male in 2008. Some of his major wins include the Breeders' Cup Classic, Jockey Club Gold Cup (twice), Dubai World Cup, Preakness, Rebel, Arkansas Derby, Stephen Foster Handicap, and Woodward Stakes. Curlin retired with 11 wins in 16 starts and earnings of over $10.5 million, the most ever by a thoroughbred race horse.
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Old 02-08-2011, 02:00 PM
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I tend to agree with the original list, but have not yet taken the time for my own research. Certainly no one on there simply dosn't belong.

Curlin won a bunch of important races and had a very good career but at 3 he lost the Belmont to a filly and the Haskell which he shouldn't have. (I am willing to give his Derby a pass as he was still very much a work in progress at the time, having just debuted on Feb 7.) I guess in retrospect they should have passed on the grass experiment and manybe loked at the Foster (I don't have dates here, but I'm guessing that it was close in time to the grass race.) Like many modern horses they picked and chose their spots to avoid certain rivals and meet the easiest fields, then stood back and said "See how great he is!"
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Old 02-08-2011, 02:14 PM
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Commando came mighty close to Colin and I'd give him 2nd place in the 1900's 2yos. I might also squeak Zev in for 1920's 3yo's. I wonder what happened to him in the Preakness?
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Old 02-08-2011, 02:34 PM
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Some great inclusions in there Doug...

Challedon is a horse not nearly enough people know about. Gun Bow another that whose praises aren't sung enough.

Devil Diver merits an honorable mention in the 40's, no? And what do you do in a survey like this with my favorite, Gallorette?
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As I mentioned in an earlier thread today, Gallorette was a multi-GI winner against males in two distinctly different disciplines...as a six year old mare. And she was beating HOF'ers to boot. Is there even a modern-day equivalent to that?

ETA - how awesome were the fillies/mares from 1944-1948 or so? Three legit hall of famers on the track at the same time.
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Old 02-09-2011, 08:09 AM
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Devil Diver merits an honorable mention in the 40's, no? And what do you do in a survey like this with my favorite, Gallorette?
The older horses of the 40's was a whole lot of splitting hairs. Devil Diver had a strong case for inclusion, as did other like Stymie and Assault (his 4yo form was solid) - One of those divisions where very little, if anything, seemed to seperate like 1 through 8.

Gallorette was easily one of the great race mares of all-time - and she faced a lot of strong male competition at several points - but her case for inclusion isn't very good unless you're graded fillies and mares on a curve - in which case, she's a total shoe-in for inclusion.
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