Divisional best by decade since 1900

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I was a fan of Curlin but he's very hard to include as an older horse. His big celebrated win as an older horse was a very weak Dubai World Cup.

He for sure could be included as a 3-year-old. That was a total case of splitting hairs - but those sound defeats in the Derby and Haskell and losing to Rags to Riches in the Belmont don't help him. The older horses were awful when he was around.

[randallscott35]

Bless your heart putting Mineshaft in there. Flowers coming to Erie.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Bless your heart putting Mineshaft in there. Flowers coming to Erie.

Mineshaft sucked until he got lasix.

Mineshaft, Medaglia D' Oro, Congaree, Candy Ride all at their peak the same year. They sometimes made horses look hopelessly common who would be handicap superstars today.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Mineshaft sucked until he got lasix.

Mineshaft, Medaglia D' Oro, Congaree, Candy Ride all at their peak the same year. They sometimes made horses look hopelessly common who would be handicap superstars today.

So he was a bleeder who cares? All I know is Howard isn't a cheater and that horse was awesome without Frankeljuice.

[MISTERGEE]

just curious, how did Saint Liam compare to those

[MISTERGEE]

landaluces 82' season as a 2yo was a monster

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

landaluces 82' season as a 2yo was a monster

Speaking along the lines of a Landaluce type 2yo - this Old Rosebud was one of the most bad ass old, old-time horses. I'm not sure Man O' War had anything on him as a 2yo.

This was his form going into the 1914 Kentucky Derby:




Here's the chart of his KY Derby win:



He won the KY Derby by 8 lengths at 4/5 odds - shaved 1.40 seconds off of the track record on a track that wasn't even yielding times all that fast. Good solid male sprinters went 6f in 1:13 3/5 in one race and 1:14 in another race - so 2:03 2/5 at Churchill is booking. The strong 2nd choice was a clear 2nd. He later won a bunch stakes at Churchill - including the Clark Handicap two years in a row. Big gaps all over. That's a race you'd project a figure in like the low 120's for.

Old Rosebud gets hurt in his very next race after the KY Derby and is laid off for 3 years. He returns off of a 3-year layoff and wins 15 of 21 races and gets credited as Horse of the Year as a 6yo.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

just curious, how did Saint Liam compare to those

He gave Ghostzapper a great race in the Woodward when he floated him out to the hot dog stand. His Woodward win the following year was tainted by the fact Dutrow used two rabbits to take care of Commentator...leaving only Sir Shackelton to beat. He beat Flower Alley and Perfect Drift in a BC Classic that was as slow as any figure wise since this past years.

I don't think SL was quite as good as Ghostzapper, Mineshaft, or MDO - he had some races that could beat Invasor, but I think Invasor beat a lot better BC Classic field.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He gave Ghostzapper a great race in the Woodward when he floated him out to the hot dog stand. His Woodward win the following year was tainted by the fact Dutrow used two rabbits to take care of Commentator...leaving only Sir Shackelton to beat. He beat Flower Alley and Perfect Drift in a BC Classic that was as slow as any figure wise since this past years.

I don't think SL was quite as good as Ghostzapper, Mineshaft, or MDO - he had some races that could beat Invasor, but I think Invasor beat a lot better BC Classic field.

St. Liam also went to Cali and got drilled by Rock Hard Ten. I want to say SL was even money or less. He also lost to Commentator that year when he was 3-5. It would be close to impossible to put him on that list.