Twirling Candy Love....

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by freddymo

My point is that Twirling Candy best race currently would be loose on a n uncontested lead that doesnt suggest he cant rate or wont we already watched him rate didnt we?

He rates fine. Im not even sure why thats an issue.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

He rates fine. Im not even sure why thats an issue.

The only time Twirling Candy rated around two turns was in the Oceanside, where Macias led, open-mouthed until midstretch. One race later, Macias nearly killed himself running off in the La Jolla to the benefit of Sidney's Candy's inflated reputation.

Otherwise, Twirling Candy has "pulled", which is hardly rating fine. That style won't be ideal for a race with multiple pace rivals, eg. the most recent BC Classic...or this year's Donn.

[freddymo]

Pulling because your cruise speed is super high is different then pulling to exhaust yourself.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Pulling because your cruise speed is super high is different then pulling to exhaust yourself.

I hate to agree with you, but I could not agree more. Plus he settled down Saturday and was never really asked for much. There is more to this horse.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Pulling because your cruise speed is super high is different then pulling to exhaust yourself.

What the fucl< are you talking about?

Pulling means he's fighting the jock's restraint, period. His running style is a couple of degrees away from being deemed "rank". It will be a weakness if and when he faces other class opponents. Therefore, he will be quite vulnerable to a heavy pace scenario in a route if he actually ever lines up in a race of that potential.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

What the fucl< are you talking about?

Pulling means he's fighting the jock's restraint, period. His running style is a couple of degrees away from being deemed "rank". It will be a weakness if and when he faces other class opponents. Therefore, he will be quite vulnerable to a heavy pace scenario in a route if he actually ever lines up in a race of that potential.

Go watch the race a few times zoom in on TC. He is hardly a hand full and way more settled then is previous races. You are going to have to drop the preconceived BS and really watch the colt is just fast

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Go watch the race a few times zoom in on TC. He is hardly a hand full and way more settled then is previous races. You are going to have to drop the preconceived BS and really watch the colt is just fast

You gotta be kidding me. Rosario has a hammer lock with the colt's head cocked to the right around the clubhouse turn and then checks him a couple of times along the backstretch (feet practically in the dashboard the whole way). The only reason a duel didn't develop was because Indian Firewater, open mouthed, accelerated after the opening quarter while Rosario was busy gathering up Twirling Candy. Inexplicably, the geniuses on the other horses decided the first two were going to slow and all moved early in unison into the teeth of a 1:09+ 6f fraction, essentially guaranteeing that Twirling Candy would have no late rival to deal with once Indian Firewater had had enough.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I don't have par times and charts and all that other stuff for SA's new dirt track ... but I actually thought the Strub pace was pretty darn slow considering the speed of the racing surface.

Twirling Candy only ran a 101 - I have no opinion if I agree with that number or not - but, if the pace was slow .. I think he deserves props for getting as much late seperation on that field of horrid bums as he did.

But yeah, a lot of people are going way overboard with that win...and he's still suspect going forward for some of the reasons Rollo has made throughout this thread.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

You gotta be kidding me. Rosario has a hammer lock with the colt's head cocked to the right around the clubhouse turn and then checks him a couple of times along the backstretch (feet practically in the dashboard the whole way). The only reason a duel didn't develop was because Indian Firewater, open mouthed, accelerated after the opening quarter while Rosario was busy gathering up Twirling Candy. Inexplicably, the geniuses on the other horses decided the first two were going to slow and all moved early in unison into the teeth of a 1:09+ 6f fraction, essentially guaranteeing that Twirling Candy would have no late rival to deal with once Indian Firewater had had enough.

The opened mouth Indian Firewater was running significantly slower then Morning line and stem cell Eddie and while we can view Twirling Candy's behavior differently you have to conceed that if twirling Candy was in the Donn he would have been able to run a lot faster early in the race and still not be nearly as restrained. I think the fact that he was able to rate into pace figs that a well respected pace fig maker has repped at 20 pts slower then the Donn speaks volumes to my argument that TC could have been 3 or 4 lengths off the hot Donn pace and been in terriffic striking postion. in essence debunking your theory he would have been cooked by ML and friends.
While TC was toiling on a 90ish pace in the Strub and able to restrain from cooking himself on the lead lets assume he was given a bit more run in the Donn and was allowed to run a 100 pace while ML and Eddie cooked on a 110ish pace.. Your only theory could now be running a 100 early vs. a restrained 90 would have twarted his last 3/8ths. I guess its possible but I actually see him winning the race(Donn) with considerable ease.