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[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I always wonder how people know this?

He's run at least 10 times since April and no report of injuries or problems were reported to the partnership.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

He's run at least 10 times since April and no report of injuries or problems were reported to the partnership.

While your reasoning may seem valid, you really don't know if he is sound or not. Assumptions like this are one of the reasons why this business is so misunderstood.

The horse was given a chance to prove that he was better than a cheap, non-winners type of horse. He didn't show that he was and we ran him in a spot where we thought we had the best chance of winning. The fact that someone claimed him (there was only 1 claim) is simply the risk you take when you enter claiming races. We replaced him with another horse who got claimed on the raise. You win some, you lose some. Hindsight in terms of claiming or not claiming horses is pointless.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

While your reasoning may seem valid, you really don't know if he is sound or not. Assumptions like this are one of the reasons why this business is so misunderstood.

The horse was given a chance to prove that he was better than a cheap, non-winners type of horse. He didn't show that he was and we ran him in a spot where we thought we had the best chance of winning. The fact that someone claimed him (there was only 1 claim) is simply the risk you take when you enter claiming races. We replaced him with another horse who got claimed on the raise. You win some, you lose some. Hindsight in terms of claiming or not claiming horses is pointless.

Chuck, I'm not questioning your putting him in a claiming race. I fully realize that's where he had to have been placed. I'm just regretting that he got claimed - that's all. Out of 4 horses in the partnership, we're down to one - Lloydobler. He has yet to break his maiden. The other two horses - Missus Mayflower and Run Burgandy didn't work out - they're off, hopefully, to green pastures elsewhere. So, of the 4 horses, Redboard King has done the best. That's all I'm saying. And, I truly hope the new owners/trainers are not racing an unsound horse if that's what he is.

[phystech]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Chuck, I'm just regretting that he got claimed - that's all.

Would you be regretting the claim if you were paying the monthly bills on him?

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by phystech

Would you be regretting the claim if you were paying the monthly bills on him?

I pretty much thought he was earning his keep - maybe not. It's not like we get any financial statements where we might understand things a lot better.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

I pretty much thought he was earning his keep - maybe not. It's not like we get any financial statements where we might understand things a lot better.

With all due respect...why? People arent making stuff up when they say how much it costs to have horses in training.

All you have to do is ask and I will explain things. That is a whole lot cheaper than producing financial documents, especially since I am the one who has to pay for the lion's share of the bills.

[Princess Doreen]

This debate is getting into very muddy waters, and it was not my intention for that to happen. I'm not questioning anyone's veracity. I just stated that I'm sorry RBK god claimed and I wish he was still in the equation. It's not redboarding - check out the first page of this topic with my wish that he not get claimed and disappointed when he was.

Done!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Chuck, I'm not questioning your putting him in a claiming race. I fully realize that's where he had to have been placed. I'm just regretting that he got claimed - that's all. Out of 4 horses in the partnership, we're down to one - Lloydobler. He has yet to break his maiden. The other two horses - Missus Mayflower and Run Burgandy didn't work out - they're off, hopefully, to green pastures elsewhere. So, of the 4 horses, Redboard King has done the best. That's all I'm saying. And, I truly hope the new owners/trainers are not racing an unsound horse if that's what he is.

We started with them as yearlings and they just turned 4. That is about how it goes. Look at the 4 and up maiden races at GP or FG. Filled with 300k yearlings that havent won yet. Lloyd has run some good races on a tough circuit. I'm pretty sure he could win conditioned 10 claimers. Redboard is what he is. It is a shame that Misses Mayflower couldn't stay sound enough to race because she was really fast and Run Burgandy was a longshot from the start. While we didn't set the world on fire, we won a couple and still have a horse running in NY. I don't think people understand how hard it is to try to take yearlings and develop them. We all see the stars and stakes horses but they are 5% of the lot. Dee Tee was created to give people a chance to be involved without much expense or risk, plain and simple. We as a group and individually are also responsible to protect our horses as much as we can. That means choosing to manage their issues or in the case of RB and MM, simply find better jobs for them. However ALL horses have imfirmities to some degree and IMO runnng RK as competitively as possible was a sound business decision. I dont have a crystal ball so I can't tell you that RBK is going to make 5 or 10 or 0 more starts. But like all horses that put forth any effort, he is going to have some problems down the line.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We started with them as yearlings and they just turned 4. That is about how it goes. Look at the 4 and up maiden races at GP or FG. Filled with 300k yearlings that havent won yet. Lloyd has run some good races on a tough circuit. I'm pretty sure he could win conditioned 10 claimers. Redboard is what he is. It is a shame that Misses Mayflower couldn't stay sound enough to race because she was really fast and Run Burgandy was a longshot from the start. While we didn't set the world on fire, we won a couple and still have a horse running in NY. I don't think people understand how hard it is to try to take yearlings and develop them. We all see the stars and stakes horses but they are 5% of the lot. Dee Tee was created to give people a chance to be involved without much expense or risk, plain and simple. We as a group and individually are also responsible to protect our horses as much as we can. That means choosing to manage their issues or in the case of RB and MM, simply find better jobs for them. However ALL horses have imfirmities to some degree and IMO runnng RK as competitively as possible was a sound business decision. I dont have a crystal ball so I can't tell you that RBK is going to make 5 or 10 or 0 more starts. But like all horses that put forth any effort, he is going to have some problems down the line.

Your finest post. People have no clue how lucky you have to be.

Assuming someone bought 6 yearlings all whiched had good conformation, pedigree and vetted clean if 3 made money it would be awesome. I don't care if they are 15k, 150k or 1.5mil a piece, its just impossible to do anything but try your best and pray!

We dealt with this in July and Aug, last year. How many La Penta/Zito 200kplus yearling were culled in 5k-20k mdn races at Suffolk this summer? Zito had a ton of success with Lapenta and still at least 5 or 6 were complete frogs. It is what it is.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We started with them as yearlings and they just turned 4. That is about how it goes. Look at the 4 and up maiden races at GP or FG. Filled with 300k yearlings that havent won yet. Lloyd has run some good races on a tough circuit. I'm pretty sure he could win conditioned 10 claimers. Redboard is what he is. It is a shame that Misses Mayflower couldn't stay sound enough to race because she was really fast and Run Burgandy was a longshot from the start. While we didn't set the world on fire, we won a couple and still have a horse running in NY. I don't think people understand how hard it is to try to take yearlings and develop them. We all see the stars and stakes horses but they are 5% of the lot. Dee Tee was created to give people a chance to be involved without much expense or risk, plain and simple. We as a group and individually are also responsible to protect our horses as much as we can. That means choosing to manage their issues or in the case of RB and MM, simply find better jobs for them. However ALL horses have imfirmities to some degree and IMO runnng RK as competitively as possible was a sound business decision. I dont have a crystal ball so I can't tell you that RBK is going to make 5 or 10 or 0 more starts. But like all horses that put forth any effort, he is going to have some problems down the line.

we're lucky any of them made it to the track, let alone the winners circle. thanks for all you do, which is more than many would attempt.