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Bigsmc · #1 01-07-2011, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Chicago Cubs
Four-Star Prospects
1. Brett Jackson, OF
2. Trey McNutt, RHP
3. Chris Archer, RHP
Three-Star Prospects
4. Josh Vitters, 3B
5. Hak-Ju Lee, SS
6. Chris Carpenter, RHP
7. Hayden Simpson, RHP
8. Reggie Golden, OF
9. Jay Jackson, RHP
10. Robinson Lopez, RHP
11. Brandon Guyer, OF

Nine More:
12. Robinson Chirinos, C: This converted infielder is improving defensively, and he can really hit.
13. Marquez Smith, 3B: He's a bit of an older prospect, but Smith can provide power and defense at the hot corner.
14. Wellington Castillo, C: He has a plus arm and power; and could turn into nice backup or second-division starter.
15. Rafael Dolis, RHP: He's another power arm in a system full of them; scouts want to see him in relief.
16. Ben Wells, RHP: This seventh-round pick was late-riser in the spring; he has low-90s heat with projection.
17. Brett Wallach, RHP: The ex-Dodger arm could move up with more consistent control; his stuff is plus.
18. Darwin Barney, UT: He'll never be a star, will rarely start, but Barney could play a decade in the majors.
19. Austin Reed, RHP: One of the talks of Arizona, scouts love his size and arm action.
20. Alberto Cabrera, RHP: This long, skinny Dominican has plus-plus velo, but needs to refine his secondary stuff.

Well, it appears to be done. Garza and Perez for 4 of Cannon's top 12. Obviously a wait and see type trade.

The Rays desperately need offense at catcher. With Barlett gone, SS depth can't hurt.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ml...ory?id=5998431

Crown@club · #2 01-08-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Well, it appears to be done. Garza and Perez for 4 of Cannon's top 12. Obviously a wait and see type trade.

The Rays desperately need offense at catcher. With Barlett gone, SS depth can't hurt.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ml...ory?id=5998431

Archer will be definitely the one to watch.
It will be interesting with Chirinos.
As for the other 2...bleh!

Bigsmc · #3 01-09-2011, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club

Archer will be definitely the one to watch.
It will be interesting with Chirinos.
As for the other 2...bleh!

Why the bleh for Lee? I know very little about him and we are only getting the Rays side down here. You'd think they ruined the Cubs for the next decade if you believe the glowing reports of these prospects.

Crown@club · #4 01-09-2011, 10:32 AM

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Why the bleh for Lee? I know very little about him and we are only getting the Rays side down here. You'd think they ruined the Cubs for the next decade if you believe the glowing reports of these prospects.

Even though Lee just turns 21 this year, and still has time to grow. But he just had .705 OPS at Single A this past year. He's very fast, so he can cover a lot of ground at SS. Overall I'm thinking he's just a future version of Larry Bowa, Ivan DeJesus.

Archer looks like the real deal though, and he is the key.

Cubs have been ruined for a long time, but they have other prospects to handle their future.

I'm sure if the Yanks were willing to give up Montero/Romine, Nunez and a decent pitching prospect, the Rays would had jumped on that first.

Bigsmc · #5 01-09-2011, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club

Even though Lee just turns 21 this year, and still has time to grow. But he just had .705 OPS at Single A this past year. He's very fast, so he can cover a lot of ground at SS. Overall I'm thinking he's just a future version of Larry Bowa, Ivan DeJesus.

Archer looks like the real deal though, and he is the key.

Cubs have been ruined for a long time, but they have other prospects to handle their future.

I'm sure if the Yanks were willing to give up Montero/Romine, Nunez and a decent pitching prospect, the Rays would had jumped on that first.

Thanks.

The Rays minor league system is stocked and they just keep adding to it, but that won't help them too much this year when they won't be able to hit their way out of a wet paper bag. Longoria isn't going to see 10 decent pitches all year, they have nothing to protect him. Starting pitching? Fine. Bullpen?

Cannon Shell · #6 01-10-2011, 09:24 AM

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Thanks.

The Rays minor league system is stocked and they just keep adding to it, but that won't help them too much this year when they won't be able to hit their way out of a wet paper bag. Longoria isn't going to see 10 decent pitches all year, they have nothing to protect him. Starting pitching? Fine. Bullpen?

I kinda (because they are usually overstated) understand the financial issues they have but the tact they are taking surely isnt going to help them attract more fans.

What will be interesting is to see how the Royals mega-stacked system fares in major league terms 2013-2015

Cannon Shell · #7 01-10-2011, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club

Even though Lee just turns 21 this year, and still has time to grow. But he just had .705 OPS at Single A this past year. He's very fast, so he can cover a lot of ground at SS. Overall I'm thinking he's just a future version of Larry Bowa, Ivan DeJesus.

Archer looks like the real deal though, and he is the key.

Cubs have been ruined for a long time, but they have other prospects to handle their future.

I'm sure if the Yanks were willing to give up Montero/Romine, Nunez and a decent pitching prospect, the Rays would had jumped on that first.

Larry Bowa was a 5 time all star

Montero alone would have been enough you'd have to think. It isnt like Garza is Roy Halladay

Crown@club · #8 01-10-2011, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Larry Bowa was a 5 time all star

Montero alone would have been enough you'd have to think. It isnt like Garza is Roy Halladay

If things go like people think it may go, Garza may have been the best starting pitcher available at trade deadline which isn't really saying much will be available at that time. But you're right Garza may be at best a possible #2 maybe #3 starting pitcher. (I don't get the big deal on Nunez anyways. I guess you have to be a Yankee fan) In Garza, you at least have a 27 year old with a few years left on a reasonable contract.

Bowa's 5 All-Star years
.298 OBP, .636 OPS
.334, .711 both career best
.283, .584
.319, .689
.316, .630

Sure this was in the age of the non-hitting SS, but the kid would have to be a defensive whiz to even sniff (along with multiple players declining invitations) to be an all-star with those numbers these days.

Bigsmc · #9 01-11-2011, 04:09 AM

Beyond the stats, Garza is great guy to have on your team. He's an intense competitor on the field (sometimes to his detriment), he's very loose on the bench, but has his team's back as he'll be the first one to jump on an umpire or opposing player from the bench.

His new teammates will love him, which I think they can use from the Zambrano debacle the last few years.

Cannon Shell · #10 09-07-2011, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Well, it appears to be done. Garza and Perez for 4 of Cannon's top 12. Obviously a wait and see type trade.

The Rays desperately need offense at catcher. With Barlett gone, SS depth can't hurt.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ml...ory?id=5998431

•Chris Archer, RHP, Rays (Triple-A Durham): 7 IP, 8 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 6 K. A disappointment for most of the year but finishing with a flurry; one run allowed in two Triple-A starts. 9/2

Chris Archer, RHP, Rays (Double-A Montgomery): 7 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 5 BB, 4 K. Control continues to be the only issue, as the stuff to be a good big league starter is there. 8/17

top 50 minor league prospects ranking as of 8/6
19. Hak-Ju Lee, SS, Rays (Preseason: NR)
Has exploded with the Rays by hitting for average, drawing walks, stealing bases, and playing a solid shortstop with an outstanding arm. Shortstops that can hit at the top of the order are worth their weight in gold.

Acquired in the Matt Garza trade, Chirinos is the third piece of the return to reach the majors for the Rays this season, joining Sam Fuld and Brandon Guyer. At first blush, Chirinos’ .265/.341/.378 line appears mediocre, but if you break it down month-by-month he looks better:

April: .176/.253/.191
May: .333/.380/.424
June: .256/.344/.385
July: .324/.419/.622

Brandon Guyer, OF, Rays (Triple-A Durham): 4-for-4, 2 2B, 4 R, R, BB, SB. Has been slumping of late, but still hitting .316/.390/.513 overall in 76 games.

So far looking great for the Rays

Bigsmc · #11 09-07-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

•Chris Archer, RHP, Rays (Triple-A Durham): 7 IP, 8 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 6 K. A disappointment for most of the year but finishing with a flurry; one run allowed in two Triple-A starts. 9/2

Chris Archer, RHP, Rays (Double-A Montgomery): 7 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 5 BB, 4 K. Control continues to be the only issue, as the stuff to be a good big league starter is there. 8/17

top 50 minor league prospects ranking as of 8/6
19. Hak-Ju Lee, SS, Rays (Preseason: NR)
Has exploded with the Rays by hitting for average, drawing walks, stealing bases, and playing a solid shortstop with an outstanding arm. Shortstops that can hit at the top of the order are worth their weight in gold.

Acquired in the Matt Garza trade, Chirinos is the third piece of the return to reach the majors for the Rays this season, joining Sam Fuld and Brandon Guyer. At first blush, Chirinos’ .265/.341/.378 line appears mediocre, but if you break it down month-by-month he looks better:

April: .176/.253/.191
May: .333/.380/.424
June: .256/.344/.385
July: .324/.419/.622

Brandon Guyer, OF, Rays (Triple-A Durham): 4-for-4, 2 2B, 4 R, R, BB, SB. Has been slumping of late, but still hitting .316/.390/.513 overall in 76 games.

So far looking great for the Rays

As brutal as Garza has been, it looks like a no brainer (right now). The Rays rarely miss on their trades which is why the Cubs are rumored to making a run at Andrew Friedman. I don't think Friedman would leave for anything less than the Yankees job. He'll (hopefully) stay loyal to Stu Sternberg and stay.

Crown@club · #12 09-08-2011, 09:59 AM

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As brutal as Garza has been, it looks like a no brainer (right now). The Rays rarely miss on their trades which is why the Cubs are rumored to making a run at Andrew Friedman. I don't think Friedman would leave for anything less than the Yankees job. He'll (hopefully) stay loyal to Stu Sternberg and stay.

Garza has been brutal? His ERA is currently the lowest of his career.