Sheikh Mo and Bernardini

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

From what I hear the track is going to be as fair as possible. It wont be like concrete when it is Derby day, but a nice track. Usually when the track is like this, the rail is dead. Of course this all depends on the weather.

I have some land to sell you too. Where did you hear this anyway? I doubt they are going to comment on the track. With Henny Hughes and Bernardini running, both track records are in trouble. I can assure you some people in the KY breeding business would love to see Bernardini take down that track record.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I have some land to sell you too. Where did you hear this anyway? I doubt they are going to comment on the track. With Henny Hughes and Bernardini running, both track records are in trouble. I can assure you some people in the KY breeding business would love to see Bernardini take down that track record.

And we care so much about those breeders because?????????

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

And we care so much about those breeders because?????????

Breeding makes the business go around. Do some research and see how much money and jobs are tied to the breeding business. People gamble on horses, football, casinos, etc. Horses are unique though because there is a multi billion dollar business in breeding.

The tax revenues for the sales of horses are huge. The revenues from gambling are often nothing. Some groups are non-profits and contribute nothing. In fact, some of these non-profits cost the tax payer money.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Breeding makes the business go around. Do some research and see how much money and jobs are tied to the breeding business. People gamble on horses, football, casinos, etc. Horses are unique though because there is a multi billion dollar business in breeding.

The tax revenues for the sales of horses are huge. The revenues from gambling are often nothing. Some groups are non-profits and contribute nothing. In fact, some of these non-profits cost the tax payer money.

This may be the most ill-informed post yet! (I'd say stupid but I dont want an $11 million dollar lawsuit) Breeding only exists because of racing, not vice versa. You are comparing tax revenues from the sale of horses to the gambling industry??? The revenues from gambling are often nothing??? Do you think that non profits like Del Mar and Keeneland just keep all the money? I can hardly type.....

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I have some land to sell you too. Where did you hear this anyway? I doubt they are going to comment on the track. With Henny Hughes and Bernardini running, both track records are in trouble. I can assure you some people in the KY breeding business would love to see Bernardini take down that track record.

Henny isn't breaking any records. Nor is Bernie. Why people think these records are suddenly going to fall is a mystery to me?.....Henny isn't winning to begin with.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Henny isn't breaking any records. Nor is Bernie. Why people think these records are suddenly going to fall is a mystery to me?.....Henny isn't winning to begin with.

Henny and Bernardini are both going to win easily. Just like all of their races. I am curious who you think could beat Henny Hughes.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Henny and Bernardini are both going to win easily. Just like all of their races. I am curious who you think could beat Henny Hughes.

My picks will be given before the Breeders Cup. Let's see the draw and a few other things. But Henny will not be on any of my tickets, Pick 3s, 4s, or other. Maybe underneath.

Bernie should probably win although I'm pulling against him b/c of the retirement issue.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

My picks will be given before the Breeders Cup. Let's see the draw and a few other things. But Henny will not be on any of my tickets, Pick 3s, 4s, or other. Maybe underneath.

Bernie should probably win although I'm pulling against him b/c of the retirement issue.

Bold.

I admire your courage, but I too, have to ask, who is going to beat him? This isn't exactly a monster-laden Sprint field we're looking at..

I mean, if he draws the 12-hole or something, then I could see trying to beat him, but I think he's just faster at six furlongs than any other horse right now. I don't remember the last time I saw the final furlong of The Vosburgh go in under :12.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Bold.

I admire your courage, but I too, have to ask, who is going to beat him? This isn't exactly a monster-laden Sprint field we're looking at..

I mean, if he draws the 12-hole or something, then I could see trying to beat him, but I think he's just faster at six furlongs than any other horse right now. I don't remember the last time I saw the final furlong of The Vosburgh go in under :12.

Isn't that because they finally cut it to 6f this year Ateam? It used to be 7f and then 6 1/2, which makes that very hard to do.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Isn't that because they finally cut it to 6f this year Ateam? It used to be 7f and then 6 1/2, which makes that very hard to do.

Argh. I didn't just mean The Vosburgh.. Any six-furlong sprint. I don't remember the last time I've seen it, and he went through some solid fractions and still flew home.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Isn't that because they finally cut it to 6f this year Ateam? It used to be 7f and then 6 1/2, which makes that very hard to do.

That made me laugh. But really, the sprint is always a wide open affair. And people dont forget this horse when you bet the sprint--HOUSEBUSTER. Remind yourself of that race before you go dumping tons of the sprint race. Man, I about cried when i saw HB break that day.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Bold.

I admire your courage, but I too, have to ask, who is going to beat him? This isn't exactly a monster-laden Sprint field we're looking at..

I mean, if he draws the 12-hole or something, then I could see trying to beat him, but I think he's just faster at six furlongs than any other horse right now. I don't remember the last time I saw the final furlong of The Vosburgh go in under :12.

I think that last effort was enormous and definitely the best sprint performance I have seen this year. I think he bounces off that, and the sprint is the one race where you can lose the race at the break....lots of variables, lots of reasons to play against him....It isn't courage, I take stands on races, like singling Pleasant Home last year in multirace wagers at 30-1. I wasn't trying to be a hero and that's a quick way to lose money. When I feel strongly about a race I have to play it a certain way.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

My picks will be given before the Breeders Cup. Let's see the draw and a few other things. But Henny will not be on any of my tickets, Pick 3s, 4s, or other. Maybe underneath.

Bernie should probably win although I'm pulling against him b/c of the retirement issue.

Nice save, but nobody is beating Henny Hughes. The only horse with a shot isn't going to show up.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Nice save, but nobody is beating Henny Hughes. The only horse with a shot isn't going to show up.

A bounce is a bounce. If he does, someone will step up and beat him. What did he run a -2, faster?

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I have some land to sell you too. Where did you hear this anyway? I doubt they are going to comment on the track. With Henny Hughes and Bernardini running, both track records are in trouble. I can assure you some people in the KY breeding business would love to see Bernardini take down that track record.

Track record wont have anything to do with the stud value of any of these horses. WINS WINS WINS is all that matters.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Track record wont have anything to do with the stud value of any of these horses. WINS WINS WINS is all that matters.

Track records don't. Two track records though do. The 10f at Churchill and the 12f and Belmont. You take down Secretariat's record in either and it is a marketers dream. Bernardini is likely to be $250K with a win. Taking down Secretariat's track record though could get them $300K. Not bad for a freshman. Being an AP Indy/Cara Rafaela doesn't hurt though. The best racehorse in decades combined with the best breeding out there is going to fill his book at any cost.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Track records don't. Two track records though do. The 10f at Churchill and the 12f and Belmont. You take down Secretariat's record in either and it is a marketers dream. Bernardini is likely to be $250K with a win. Taking down Secretariat's track record though could get them $300K. Not bad for a freshman. Being an AP Indy/Cara Rafaela doesn't hurt though. The best racehorse in decades combined with the best breeding out there is going to fill his book at any cost.

You are crazy--first of all he wont break the track record and the track record wont increase his value by $50k.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

You are crazy--first of all he wont break the track record and the track record wont increase his value by $50k.

This track record will. He will be "better than Secretariat". There are a lot of people in this business that really don't care if the fee is even $100K higher. If they want to breed to the horse they will. This one is like AP Indy. A can't miss.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

This track record will. He will be "better than Secretariat". There are a lot of people in this business that really don't care if the fee is even $100K higher. If they want to breed to the horse they will. This one is like AP Indy. A can't miss.

Thanks for making my point--his stud fee could be $400k and people will breed to him. A track record at Churchill means nothing. A win is what matters.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

This track record will. He will be "better than Secretariat". There are a lot of people in this business that really don't care if the fee is even $100K higher. If they want to breed to the horse they will. This one is like AP Indy. A can't miss.

You really are a novice ... aren't you? And not shy about showing it either.

There never has been ... nor ever will be ... a racehorse who is a "can't miss" at stud. No one can predict which good racehorses will be good stallions ... and which won't ... including ... guess who? ... you.

But thanks for keeping us informed on how artless you still are.